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Posted March 22, 2021 - 09:07 PM

This post is going to start out running all over the place so pay attention or you may get lost .......

 

The model-T is up to as far as I'm going to take it and I'm just waiting on some parts before I can get the engine running.

Once the engine is running .. then I am going to put it up for sale so then I'll be waiting some more until it sells ( and that may just take awhile ).

 

So ... my next big project is to finish a 1947 Plymouth convertible that I bought way back in 1968.

I paid $ 35 for it at that time.    It didn't run and when you opened the door you could see the grass that was under it because the floor was all rotted out of it.

Unfortunately I do not have any photos of what it looked like then but this is what it looked like in 1972.  We lived in Traverse City, Michigan and that little girl standing beside it is 53 years old now.

 

Behind it is my 64 Jeep woody.     I made the top from the back of a VW bus and the windows for the doors came out of a 57 Plymouth two door hardtop.

I used the Plymouth mechanism in the wood doors so I could crank the windows up and down.    The Jeep had a turbocharged 215 CID Aluminum  V-8 engine out of a 1963 Olds Cutlass.  

 

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We drove 47 for our vacation to Florida in 1973 and this photo was taken at Bradenton Beach.

 

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Heading home from that vacation we ran into snow and I had to pull over and take this photo south of Atlanta.

 

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We moved to Goshen Indiana in 1974 and I drove the car for a couple of years more.     It still had the old flathead six in it and it started using oil so I decided it was time to make a street rod out of it.    The old six cylinder came out and that was the last that the car was ever on the road.

 

I was working a minimum 50 week working on the Plymouth off and on.     The years went by and I built up and drove other old cars and motorcycles and the Plymouth kept being being pushed farther down the priority list.   

Over the years, I've had several old cars that I finished and drove for awhile.    The oldest was a 1936 Plymouth 4-door Special Deluxe and the newest was a 1960 Chevy El Camino.    I also built a few street rods up for other people.

 

As time went by we would get hard up for money or I would se something else that I wanted more then what I was driving so I would sell the car I was driving at that time.

That is the only reason that I still have this 47 Plymouth.    All those years, I had never gotten it completed enough to where it was worth anything so it never went up for sale.

I did have it running for a little while in the late 80's with a 350 Chevy engine in it but it wasn't anywhere close to being able to put on the street.

 

The 350 Chevy engine that was in it then ended up being the first engine in my 1959 Chevy truck when I first put the truck on the road in 1995.     I have been driving the truck regularly ever since 95 and it hasn't gotten sold simple because it has always been worth more to me then what anyone would have been willing to pay for it. 

 

So ... here we are in March of 2021 and the 47 Plymouth has been sitting in storage,  with no engine in it since 1995.

This is what it looked like yesterday sitting in the back of my son's garage.

 

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That red convertible top was put on new in the early 90's but I'm sure it would brake into little tiny pieces if I tried to raise it up now.

Since I stole the Chevy engine out of it I have put this engine together to go in it instead.

 

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This is another 1957 Chrysler 354 Hemi with Holly 2-berral, tripower carburetors.         This photo shows a 3-speed transmission on it but it has since had a 350 Chevy automatic adapted to it to go into the Plymouth.

 

..........................   Okay .. now, I cant bring this over to my garage yet because the model-T is still sitting in the spot where I need to put the 47 Plymouth to work on it.

Also .. there is no point in starting on the Plymouth until after the model-T is sold because I won't have enough money to work on it until then.

 

 

 

Some of you will remember this cart that I had built out of an old Bolens Ridemaster.   We used this a lot when we tractor shows and that trailer bed on the back sure came in handy.     

I sold this but I would still like to have something like this to run around on at the shows.    

 

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 I have been to a few tractor shows down here and I've been using the R/T tractor to run around on.    It works out al right but I miss not having the trailer box and I can't take a rider along with me on the R/T.

 

So while I'm waiting on parts for the model-T and then waiting for it to sell, I'm going to build another 2 - person cart with a trailer box on it.

This is a 1939 Standard Twin Viking model ( originally a 2-wheel garden tractor ).

I got this from my good friend, Jerome Wilber and someone had converted it to a riding tractor with rear wheel steering.

 

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I also got this garden trailer box from Jerome at the same time.

 

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Posted March 22, 2021 - 09:14 PM

great story Ray. I remember you telling us about the convertible.  Interesting to see you sold the show cruiser. Glad to hear you still have the R/T. Looking forward to the updates. Take care.                                                                                                           Roger


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Posted March 22, 2021 - 09:38 PM

Hi Roger .. I miss seeing you two at the Buckley shows.

Here is a link to a you tube video with the Mike and Angie, the couple that bought it.

 

 

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Posted March 23, 2021 - 05:44 AM

Thanks for sharing your story, enjoyed the read.

Cannot wait to see pictures of your projects as you go along.


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Posted March 23, 2021 - 06:54 AM

Thanks so much for the post!
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Posted March 23, 2021 - 12:48 PM

Good story!

Can't wait to see how this turns out.  That Hemi tripower will look great under the hood of the Plymouth. 

 

Does the Plymouth have a lot of room on the sides for the wide hemi?


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Posted March 23, 2021 - 02:00 PM

Good story!

Can't wait to see how this turns out.  That Hemi tripower will look great under the hood of the Plymouth. 

 

Does the Plymouth have a lot of room on the sides for the wide hemi?

Plenty of room.    You could almost stand inside the fenders and work on the engine of those old cars with a six cylinder in them.


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Posted March 23, 2021 - 02:09 PM

I've had the Viking tractor stored up in the loft of my garage and I spent about an hour moving things around so I could get it out.

I use my forklift for my elevator to access the loft.

 

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This is what a 1939 Viking tractor looked like from the factory.

These tractors were started with a hand crank but I have put a starter / generator on mine for electric start.

 

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The only difference between a Standard Twin garden tractor and the Viking garden tractor is that the Viking had the sheet metal for the grille, hood and side panels.

The engine on the Standard Twin was fully exposed.

 

I know you could get steel or rubber tires on the Standard Twin but I do not know if the Viking was available with rubber tires as an option.

Either way, my tractor originally had steel wheels like in the photo.

Some one has cut the steel wheels off and put regular 15 inch car wheels on it.

Notice .. there aren't any lug bolts holding these car wheels on.

 

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They are welded to what is left of the spokes from the old steel wheels.

 

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I have a pair of old 16 inch Kelsey Hays wire wheels that have a lot of sentimental value to me and I have been dragging them around with me ever since 1963.

These wheels came off the back of my older brother's 1932 ford.

You can see them in this photo with stainless trim rings on them.

 

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Jan ( my brother ) was 10 years older then me and he had bought this car when he was a senior in high school in 1954.     He was killed in the family car in February of 1963 when he was hit head on by a drunk driver.    His 32 ended up being sold and the guy that bought it didn't want the rear wheels because they are split rim clincher wheels.   Back then we had several old Ford wheels laying around so dad took the Kelsey Hays wheels off and put a pair of regular Ford wire wheels on. 

 

Here are those wheels with the white paint still on them.

You can see the marks where the paint has been scraped off around the inside of the rim from removing the trim rims.  

I still have the trim rims but they're still packed away some place. 

 

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All I have of the Viking sheet metal is the formed rear hood brace and the front grille panel.    

Because I was missing the hood and both side panels, I had originally planned on selling the rear hood brace and the grille to someone that needed them to restore their Viking tractor. 

Since then I have decided to go ahead and use the Viking sheet metal and that is probably going to get some one upset with me.

This grille is in very good condition and I am going to go and cut part of it away for clearance for the starter / generator.

 

I have taken the gas tank off and bolted the rear hood brace in place.

 

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The original carburetor that was in the box of parts that I got with this tractor was missing some parts.    Since I wasn't going to restore the tractor, I adapted a more modern Briggs & Stratton carburetor to it.

As you can see, this carburetor sticks out past the side of the rear hood brace.     So I'm only going to put the top hood panel on it and leave the sides open. 

 

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I'm already getting a kink in my back from bending over while working on this so I hauled it up in the air and set it on stands.

 

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Here is that nice grille panel fastened in place with the lower right corner chopped off.

 

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Posted March 23, 2021 - 08:37 PM

Cool projects and story. I’ll be following.


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Posted March 24, 2021 - 04:12 PM

I'm going to use this old piece of galvanized metal to make the hood.

Here I have bent one edge up on it on my smaller brake.

 

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Then I run it thru the roller to flatten that edge down.

 

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Ready to bend up the opposite edge.

All four sides have been bent over to create smooth rounded edges with double metal thickness around the edges.

 

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Back in the late 80's, I built this 3-roller sheet metal roller.

 

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The sheet metal is clamped between the first two rollers and the back roller is moved forward or backward to control the amount of the curve.

For this piece, the back roller is drawn up tight to make the radius of the curve as small as I can get it.

 

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The piece is put in my larger brake and a slight bend is put into the center of it.

 

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Here is how the hood looks so far.

 

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I'm rolling a bead along the two side edges to make them a little more ridged.

 

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The outside of the hood is primed and mounted on the tractor.

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Here is a closer look at the beaded edge.

 

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Posted March 24, 2021 - 05:30 PM

im confused lol. the thread really did run all over the place!


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Posted March 27, 2021 - 01:16 PM

A long time ago I had modified a puller so that the arms were extended out farther to get the claws around bigger items.

That modified puller has come in quite handy over the years and I had to use it again to pull the wheel hubs off the tractor spindles.

 

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Here are the wheels with the hubs welded to the inside of them.

 

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I cut the hub spokes loose from the wheels with my torch.  

Then I took the hubs out to my son's garage and put them up on his big lathe to turn the spoke stubs down.  

I was hoping be able to grip these hubs on the inside but the inside of them is tapered so I had to grip them on the outside.

This only let me machine off about two thirds of the back spokes off and I'll grind the rest of them off.

 

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The face of the hubs are machined flat with a boss extending out about 1/4 inch in the center.

I have a pair of wheel adapters ordered that have the wheel studs at the correct spacing to fit my wire wheels.

I will turn down a spacer that the inside will fit over the boss on the hubs and outside will fit inside the wheel adapters.

This will center the adapters on the hubs and I can then drill and tap the holes to bolt the adapters onto the hubs.

 

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That's as far as I can go on the hubs so I'm going to work on the pivot mount to go between the tractor and the trailer bed.

This is a part left over from building the Centaur tractor and it is just the right shape and size for making the front part of the pivot mount.

Here I'm drilling a tapered hole into each end.

 

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These tapered holes are for mounting two tie-rod ends to it.

 

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Next I need two angle brackets that will bolt onto two flat pieces of steel that will later be welded to the underside of the trailer.

This is one set.

 

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A 2 inch diameter hole is drilled into each of the angle pieces.

 

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These two brackets are mounted onto a 27 inch long piece of steel pipe.

 

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The bracket for the tie-rod ends is welded to the end of a piece of 1-1/2 inch solid rod.

This rod is slid into the pipe and washers on each end will keep in place.

The front washer is welded on the rod and the washers on the other end will be held in place by a 5/16 diameter pin thru the rod.

 

This assemble will later be welded onto the underside of the trailer.

The rear angle bracket is already welded to the end of the pipe but the other angle bracket won't be welded in place until I determine how far I want this shaft to stick out past the front of the trailer.

 

The tie-rod ends will allow the trailer to turn left and right behind the tractor and the pipe will be able to rotate on the 1-1/5 inch rod for going over uneven ground.

The two tie-rods being spread apart and the long pipe will keep the trailer and tractor in line so they don't sag in the middle.

 

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Posted March 29, 2021 - 06:55 PM

Both of the axle grease seals were leaking on the tractor so punched a hole in them and pulled them out.

There are two pieces of metal with a cork ring in between them to form the seal.

 

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The axle shaft is 1.375 diameter and the counter bore in the housing is 2.350 diameter.

 

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Lots of seals are 1.375 on the inside but none of them are 2.350 on the outside.

The closest I could get was 2.125 diameter on the outside so I need to make spacer rings to go into the counter bore in the housings.

Here I'm turning down the outside of a piece of aluminum to the 2.350 diameter.

 

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Then I turn the inside out to the 2.125 diameter.

 

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The grease seal is then pressed into the aluminum sleeve.

I'm using a double lip seal.

 

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The edges of the keyway on the axle shafts are sharp so I used a small belt sander to put a beveled edge on them so they won't damage the seal.

 

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The axle shaft will be coated with Vaseline before I slide the seal up onto it.

A long time ago, I had asked Marie to get a jar of Vaseline for me when she went to the store.

She brought back this jar with the baby fresh sent.

Now, every time I use this on a car or tractor, it smells like a freshly powered baby for awhile. 

 

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I want to glue these aluminum spacer rings into the counter bore so I knurled the outside of the aluminum ring to give it a rough surface for the lock-tight to grip to.

A bead of lock-tight is put around the outside of the spacer ring.

 

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The seals are pressed into the counter bore with a hammer, using a big washer and my home made long seal installation tool.

 

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Here is how the axle looks now with it's new grease seal installed.

 

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Posted March 30, 2021 - 04:50 PM

Got the wire wheels sand blasted today.

 

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Primed.   The clincher rims are on the piece of cardboard in the background.

 

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The back of the wheels are painted.

 

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And the fronts are finished.

It's always a challenge to get nice even coats of paint on wheels like this with out any dry spots or runs.   

The spokes have to be sprayed at several different angles to get the paint all the way around them.

The upper spokes themselves block the paint from getting on areas of the spokes that are crossing underneath them.

Both the upper and lower spokes block the paint from getting on areas of the center hub.

 

The spokes have to be sprayed more than a dozen times on both the front side and the back side.    

Each pass is sprayed at a slightly different angle each time to get all around the spokes and in between them and under them to the cover the surface of the hub.

The color is Rust-Oleum, Colonial Red.    This is a darker red than the more common Farmall red that you see at the tractor shows.

 

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These are the tires that will be going on these rims.

 

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Posted April 03, 2021 - 07:21 PM

Change of plans ....

 

First off .. I have decided against using the lug style tractor tires that I had shown earlier on this.    

This is going to be a cart for running around the tractor shows so I'm going to use this style of tire instead.

 

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Ever since I have started thinking about building this cart, there has been one thing that has bothered me and that is the overall length of it.Any of the 2-wheel garden tractors that I have seen with a trailer attached have all been rather long.

Here are some photos of some with trailers.

 

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Granted .. these all have the control arms on them which makes the trailer have to be back farther from the tractor.

Mine does not have the control arms on it so the trailer tongue wouldn't have to be as long as these but it would still have to be long enough so the tires wouldn't hit the trailer when I turn.

 

Trying to figure out how to keep the thing as short as possible has been in the back of my mind all along as I work on it.

There was a tractor swap meet this morning at Brookville,Indiana, which is about a good hour and a half from me.

I had not planned on going to it because there is going to be another one next Saturday that will be only about a half hour from me.

While eating breakfast, I decided to go ahead and drive up to Brookville and I'm sure glad that I did.

 

The third place I looked at had these two front swivel casters from a Grasshopper mower.

As soon as I saw them I knew that was just what I needed and they were the only caster yokes that I saw there.

 

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Originally I was going to have a trailer tongue that would keep the tractor and trailer in line vertically and still let it turn and rock side to side when going over uneven ground.

I'm planning on having a two passenger seat and I'm going to mount it right at the front of the trailer.

Using these casters for the trailer wheels, I can mount the trailer solid to the tractor with just enough room between it and the back of the tractor for a foot plate between them.

 

I will mount these casters to a axle that will pivot in the center, like a garden tractor front axle, and this will allow the movement needed for the rear wheels to go over uneven ground.

With the trailer box now mounted solid to the tractor, the tractor will now turn like a zero turn mower with it pivoting around the inside wheel when that brake is applied. 

 

It just so happens that way up on the top shelf of my tire storage rack, I have two 4.00x7 tires with split rims that are cast iron.

I don't have any idea of what these are from but they sure look like something that would have been available in the 30's and 40's so they will blend right in with the age of the tractor.

The tires are 14 inch diameter on the outside and the casters only have clearance for 12 inch tires so I will have to extend the forks a little.

 

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