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Posted April 13, 2020 - 09:57 AM

It seems that the Easter bunny may be real...look what he brought me!

 

For 5 years I have casually kept my eyes open for a PK loader, or a PK with a loader at a price I could afford, and within a reasonable distance.  The goal would be to swap the loader onto my 1979 PK 1618.  The 2nd option appeared on Sat. in a Craigslist ad - 1977 PK 1614 with a loader.  The stars aligned, the seller was willing to deliver, so it's in my barn!  I paid $1500 (plus $150 delivery) for what you see.  Tractor starts, runs, and moves.  Loader works.  All of it will need some TLC.

 

I will doing some separate posts below to focus on the tractor and loader.

 

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Posted April 13, 2020 - 09:57 AM

I really have little to no interest in the tractor.  I don't have the indoor space, and have always said if I were to have a 2nd tractor, it would be one my wife would use (smaller, hydro, power steering, quieter, maybe with a small loader like a Johnny Bucket).  This tractor has some issues:

Tractor known issues:

  •  Lots of DIY cobbling - cutting, holes drilled, welding
  •  Rear tranny not shifting well
  •  Tires are holding air, but lots of cracks

 

My question to the forum group here is - what would this tractor be worth assuming these 3 scenarios?  I'm trying to figure out if the return on investment is worth my time (time and space in my barn are 2 things I have very little of):

  1. Do almost nothing to it.  Remove the loader, remove wheel weights, add a hydraulic reservoir tank (under seat, so 3pt hydraulics work), and send it out the door to be someone else's project.
  2. Repair/replace everything that has been cobbled.  That would include - new transmission tunnel, new dash, new ignition switch, repair rear transmission, new bumper, new seat or repaired seat
  3. All of Option 2, plus include an attachment (mower deck, front blade, etc. - I would have to locate one)

My neighbor showed interest in the tractor.  Good neighbor, is letting me borrow his Kubota BX TLB for a project.  Depending on what the numbers are above, I would give him a discount as repayment for borrowing his tractor.  I know he would not want to spend much, but I would also like to recover some cost.

 

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Posted April 13, 2020 - 09:57 AM

Here is what I can see or notice about the loader:

  • No leaking hoses, but most are cracked and weathered
  • Motion is not that smooth...some sticking on the way up
  • Pins are greased but seem rusty (maybe part of the motion not being smooth)
  • Hydraulic whine when running the hydraulics
  • No hydraulic pump (running off the tractor's pump)

My initial questions:

  1. I thought the loaders had their own hydraulic pump mounted to the right arm of the bracket, and ran off a belt routed into the bell housing (same pulley that runs the hydraulic pump under the hood)?  Basically, I thought the loader was "stand alone" with regard to the hydraulics, and wonder if the hydraulic whine I hear is a hydraulic pump that is not up to the task.
  2. Looks like I will need to drill the foot pans on my 1979 for the loader bracket to mount?

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Posted April 13, 2020 - 09:57 AM

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Posted April 13, 2020 - 10:54 AM

Anyone can ask whatever they think. Anyone can pay what they are willing. Right now the value of it is what you paid unless someone wants it more than you did. Repairing the issues may increase what you can get for it. But like most things there are factors that control it. The economy,how much those repairs cost,and how bad someone wants it.I wish you well It is a nice unit that could make some one a very nice project.


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Posted April 13, 2020 - 11:55 AM

Hi Chris, no addition Hyd pump they used the one on top of the bell housing but it is a higher capacity pump you will want to put that on your 1618 the whine and jerky operation is most likely form low hydraulic oil in the tank causing air to get in the system yes on drilling the foot pan



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Posted April 13, 2020 - 03:34 PM

Cool machine, and it even has the secondary trans! :thumbs: Pretty desirable package you have there in the world of PKs. Not everyday you see one of these fitted with a loader. I'd fix it up and sell it or to your neighbor. Something like that would go for a lot more than you paid for here. I'd think with a little TLC and a few weekends you could make a profit from it.


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Posted April 13, 2020 - 09:12 PM

Hi Chris, no addition Hyd pump they used the one on top of the bell housing but it is a higher capacity pump you will want to put that on your 1618 the whine and jerky operation is most likely form low hydraulic oil in the tank causing air to get in the system yes on drilling the foot pan

 

Thanks Gary!  On the hyd. pump, would there be any markings or other external indicator to tell me the one on the 1614 is higher capacity than my 1618?  I now have the tractors sitting next to each other so I can compare/contrast, and they look exactly the same.

 


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Posted April 14, 2020 - 08:15 AM

Does the tractor 1618 have the second trans ?  Great if it does but if doesn't you might want to repair the one on your new tractor and swap . I had a 2418 w/loader I wished it had the optional trans many times when your trying to load the bucket in a pile of mulch/dirt , scrapping sod , it really give the poor clutch a workout . Also I noticed on my Jim Dandy which had duel trans you could shift the rear trans a little easier ( less grinding ) . On my 2418 I added a foot throttle which worked along with the hand throttle so you would set you engine speed by had and could override it with the foot throttle


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Posted April 14, 2020 - 08:19 AM

Hi Chris the higher capacity pump will be stamped (or should be) Webster YB58 smaller one is a Webster YB15 just looking at the 2 the 58 will be larger in depth from pulley to back of pump otherwise they look the same


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Posted April 14, 2020 - 01:37 PM

Chris if you don't already have the PK thumb drive I recommend it has 30000+ pages of PK manuals etc $15.00 on e bay also here's a loader manual in case you don't have one

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Posted April 14, 2020 - 01:38 PM

Does the tractor 1618 have the second trans ?  Great if it does but if doesn't you might want to repair the one on your new tractor and swap . I had a 2418 w/loader I wished it had the optional trans many times when your trying to load the bucket in a pile of mulch/dirt , scrapping sod , it really give the poor clutch a workout . Also I noticed on my Jim Dandy which had duel trans you could shift the rear trans a little easier ( less grinding ) . On my 2418 I added a foot throttle which worked along with the hand throttle so you would set you engine speed by had and could override it with the foot throttle

My 1618 has dual trans. as well....

 

Posting that pic reminds me that I need to take some new ones.  That barn is red now and tractor a bit cleaner.

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Posted April 14, 2020 - 10:18 PM

Hi Chris the higher capacity pump will be stamped (or should be) Webster YB58 smaller one is a Webster YB15 just looking at the 2 the 58 will be larger in depth from pulley to back of pump otherwise they look the same

 

Thanks!  After looking at the length of the pump, the difference was obvious.  As I move forward with this, is there any kind maintenance or rebuild of the pump that I should consider?

 

Funny finding - I noticed the dash had been cut to make clearance for the hydraulic lines coming out the back of the pump.  This didn't make sense, until I realized the adjustment of the belt tension.  Looks like instead of using the proper belt size, they just threw something in there, hit the dash when trying to tension it, and cut the opening to allow for more adjustment.

 

Chris if you don't already have the PK thumb drive I recommend it has 30000+ pages of PK manuals etc $15.00 on e bay also here's a loader manual in case you don't have one

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https://www.ebay.com...ttachicon.gif">1Loader.pdf

 

Done! :)  I've been on the fence to get one for a while, but contacted John Haines tonight.
 


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Posted April 15, 2020 - 07:49 AM

Hi Chris if the pump is working I would just use it don't mess with something that isn't broke, when I looked at the picture of the pump I thought that it sure looked up high but then was thinking it was the angle of the picture yep people do the darn-est things. Is there a filter in the return line of the loader? Mine has one I think its a good idea



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Posted April 15, 2020 - 12:28 PM

I was looking at the loader cylinders and steering closer tonight:

 

Steering

Is this steering arrangement incorrect?  My 1618 has the drag link on the opposite side of the arm from what you see.  What you see in the image was also modified, probably because the bend in the drag link was hitting the frame, so the previous owner "fixed" it.  I have an extra drag link off my 1618 I can try (repaired, but better than this one). 

 

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The cylinders all work, but the ends look rough on the lift cylinders, and the dump cylinders at the bucket have been "repaired".  One has some booger welds on the rod end, and the other has a piece of EMT welded on as the rod end.  I know almost nothing about hydraulics, so can these be rebuilt, or direct replacements available?  If I'm reading the PK FEL manual correctly, they are 2.0" bore, 1.125" rod, 6.5" stroke, 3/4" pins.  I poked around at Surplus Center and did not find a perfect match.

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