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Building a dream of mine (A dually HT20)


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#31 kjmweld OFFLINE  

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Posted January 26, 2020 - 12:56 AM

My Sears 18/6 with duel wheels and turf tires is totally worthless in the snow without three rail chains. Don


That's exactly why I didn't want anything to do with a turf tire. They're absolutely useless on snow, mud, even wet grass, (you might as well throw a pair of slicks on there) unless you're running chains. I like to keep the yard looking good in the summertime also, but this tractor won't be doing any mowing duties.

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Posted January 26, 2020 - 07:44 AM

That dual wheel rims you made  :thumbs: . Exceptional jobs Sir .  Curious to to them on the tractor  .

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Posted January 26, 2020 - 10:36 AM

I can only hope that you've all been enjoying the build so far. Today is a big day, I am going to reveal part 2 of the build. This has been something I've played thru my head for years in hopes that someday it would all come together. This is why I've titled the thread "Building a dream of mine" it's truly been a vision I've had for a long time & I've finally got everything together to proceed. So onward to "THE REVEAL."
There aren't alot of pics on the web that show this dual wheel set up installed on a large frame, but any that I've seen really show that they stick quite far beyond the fender pan. That's always looked so out of character for what I have always thought was a very stylish tractor. So my vision has been to "stretch" a fender pan to cover the set up. I want to do it in such a way that I retain all the classic body lines of a stock pan. The end product should resemble (as close as possible) to what Bolens themselves should have made available as optional equiptment to purchase for the dual wheel kit if the customer chose to do so, IMO.
I have saved 2 large frame fender pans for 5 years for this project because I just couldn't scrap the idea, even tho I was so discouraged for so long in not finding a dual wheel set. These pans are not correct for an HT20 (no hole for the hydro dipstick, they have the cutout in them for the shift lever, & they aren't the correct set up to mount the seat of the ht20 on) but I'll work thru those issues. I've started by cutting the hole for the dipstick first, so i could mount the pan to the tractor. BTW, there are (2) HT20's in my shop, the one HT20 is complete & restored, & also the unrestored one you'll see in many of the pictures. I did most of the "mock up" on the unrestored one for obvious reasons, & go back n forth between the 2 tractors when needed. There's also a Yanmar sub compact tractor, work bench, tool box, & a ton of other stuff crammed into a 12'x20' shed, so space to work in, is challenging. Pics should be for the most part, self explanatory. In this post I'm trying to show the differences between the wheels, how much beyond the fender pan the wheels "stick out" & the VERY initial stages of working out my "plan of attack." I should also mention that I'm aware the wheels aren't on the correct side rite now. I just grabbed 2 wheels & brought them out to the shop (the other 2 were left in the house for now). Turned out they should have gone on the other side of the tractor, but that side was currently too close to the tool box to mount them. I have alot of rearranging to do in the shop before moving along much more. For "mock up" purposes, it won't matter anyway, so I thru them on.
Stay tuned, there is A WHOLE LOT MORE TO COME.

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Posted January 26, 2020 - 11:15 AM

This project is going to be "Sweeeeet"!!!! Can't wait to see more pictures of the progress you make, hope it turns out the way you want it to be!!
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Posted January 26, 2020 - 11:34 AM

This project is going to be "Sweeeeet"!!!! Can't wait to see more pictures of the progress you make, hope it turns out the way you want it to be!!


Thank you. Actually the tractor isn't done yet but just about ready to do the body & paintwork to the pan. That's why I want to give you guys just a little at a time tho, so hopefully when it is complete, I'll be wrapping up documenting the build here & not "leaving anyone hanging", waiting on the completed tractor pics.
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Posted January 26, 2020 - 04:50 PM

I'll be lurking! And I think you have your plan figured out by now, it's just doing the work. Probably be some challenges widening the fender pan.


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Posted January 26, 2020 - 06:44 PM

I love the wide rear stance of an HT but this will take it to the next level. Look forward to seeing it completed
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Posted January 26, 2020 - 09:19 PM

A dually fender pan is something very creative and you'll more than likely have the only one out there on a Bolens. Combined with your expertise in fab work, it's going to look like a factory made piece. :thumbs:


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Posted January 27, 2020 - 07:40 AM

Those tires look to be a good compromise between ag and turf tires. They won't tear up the lawn as much as ag tires and give better traction than turf tires.

As has already been said, you probably won't want duals in snow, though. Duals reduce ground pressure and instead of digging in and biting they "skate" on top of the snow.

Smitty

Edited by Utah Smitty, January 27, 2020 - 07:41 AM.

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Posted January 29, 2020 - 08:22 AM

I've been really busy the past few days which is why I haven't had the chance to post, but I'll do my best to keep the build moving forward. So since my last post I have sandblasted my 2 pans & started the fabrication of the widened pan. This has been a very labor intensive 600+ hours building this stretched pan. Many changes along the way, redesigned it a few times, changed materials I had planned on using for one reason or another, etc. etc. I took hundreds of pics along the way (mostly for my own use to be able to refer back to) how I did something so I could replicate the process on the other side. A big part of the challenge with this build was getting everything symmetrical between sides. Another big obstacle that kept haunting me was, these are "stamped" pans, nothing is flat, everything has radiuses, & they aren't "symmetrical" to begin with. In fact something I didn't know before getting into this project (or at least paid attention to) is the rt. treadle pedal is lower than the left side pedal, (all the HT's are like this, it's not my tractor being messed up, lol). So I found myself having to constantly (split the difference) building the pan, so your eye wouldn't be drawn to any noticeable differences between one side & the other. It's already way bigger of a project then I had ever figured it would have been. I would certainly NEVER want to do another one. I'll see this thru tho, I've got my mind set, failure to see this thru isn't even an option. I feel like I'm being brought back to school/college geometry, & advanced math needed to get thru a project like this. That's how long ago it's been since I've needed to fall back on something other than "simple math".
So getting into this project & spending some time formulating a "plan," I decided I needed to build the outer parimeter first. I figure that's the ONLY way it'll resemble the Bolens pan. After that I can section in everything between the center area & the outer edge. I started off by centering the wheelwells over the center of the outer dual wheel. I also left the fenders outer edge, inboard of the tire a little, mimicking the stock pan over the 26x12-12 tire. Attached pics show some of this process. I'll try to keep the pics to a minimum, the best I can, but have enough for you to follow along & understand what I'm doing.

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Posted January 29, 2020 - 08:34 AM

That looks like a lot of head scratching went on! I bet about 400 of those 600 hours were spent looking and thinking!


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Posted January 29, 2020 - 08:46 AM

That looks like a lot of head scratching went on! I bet about 400 of those 600 hours were spent looking and thinking!


Absolutely Kenny. It goes back to that saying measure twice, cut once. It is hard to believe 600+ hours (just in building the fender pan), but that is the reality of it. As this thread continues, it'll all be more understandable tho. Thanks for following along.
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Posted January 29, 2020 - 09:10 AM

I understand that after building Alice. Took a lot of just looking at it to figure out what was needed to be built.


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Posted January 29, 2020 - 10:37 AM

Few more pics of the process of going back & forth between each side trying to get the look i wanted & figuring out how I was going to keep the body lines correct in the foot pad area. This had to be put together in many pieces because of the width over the wheels, yet needing such a drastic taper inward where the foot rests are. There isn't enough original fender pan to make it in one piece because the tapered area adds length to get between those 2 points. I also still wanted to retain the original look of the perimeter of the original pan (the flare of the edge that follows the entire perimeter). This is where it starts looking like a "Rat Rod" "Frankentractor." The vision is still very clear in my mind tho, just alot of figuring on my part to determine what will work, & won't work. This step took alot of time, & got me very frustrated at times because I started to go about it one way, only to figure out that that's not going to work (alot of "head scratching"). This also required tacking pieces of metal into different places for the sole purpose to hold everything in place, alot of this will be cut out later. Rite now to me it looks like something out of the movie "Mad Max beyond the thunderdome."

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Posted January 29, 2020 - 12:52 PM

Cool project! That's going to look great when you are done. 


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