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Repowering my HT23 w/FEL, is 16 hp diesel enough?

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Posted April 14, 2017 - 07:32 AM

How big is your tiller?  8hp. will run a 36" tiller fine. Remember that it will take about 2hp. to run the hydro on your tractor.


The tiller is a 36 in shaft drive,

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Posted April 14, 2017 - 07:40 AM

Skyryder2 put that engine in his Ford LGT, maybe he can answer some of your questions.  He was very helpful with my re-power.  I think that little diesel will have more than enough power.  It will be an interesting re-power to watch.  


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Posted April 14, 2017 - 07:43 AM

I'm very interested in what you come up with.  I have been pondering a diesel repower for a large frame also, but
have not found an engine that fit the criteria of HP, size, and cost.  I also picked up a Kubota Z482, but would like something
larger. 
 
What model is the Ruggerini that you have?
 
Regards,
 
 
Doug


The Ruggerini is an RD200, which uses the same block and many components from the RD180 and RD210. It's 18-22 hp depending on how it's set up.

It came off an Italian made genset...I haven't found any references to them in the US, but found some in Europe. They look like a Lombardini, and Lombardini bought out Ruggerini, and was then bought out by Kohler so I'm hoping some off the Kohler/Lombardini parts will fit...

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Posted April 14, 2017 - 09:16 AM

Sounds like you should be looking for an owners manual and /or parts manual for that gen set, they might show you how the gen is attached to the eng.

 

But, the usual way is for a drive disk be bolted to the rotor shaft, which is then piloted by and bolted to the eng flywheel.

There are no engine side gen bearings.

 

The pump will likely be a single speed pump, yes they are slightly adjustable but not much, there might be 2-300 rpm from High idle to rated speed.  

 

I'd put it in and try it.

 

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Posted April 14, 2017 - 01:50 PM

Thanks, Dan

 

I bought the engine from a guy in California who had already scrapped the genset--including the coupler for the crankshaft.  He couldn't remember a make or model, so I'm kind of stuck there.

As for the water cooled Kubota, that's how I thought it would connect. The air cooled engines like my Ruggerini have the flywheel with the fan, but the water cooled ones have it at the back of the crankshaft. I have a manual for the engine somewhere--it's the same series as the D750 and D850 engines.

If the pump is single speed, then there won't be enough adjustment to effectively operate the tractor...I suspect another pump is pricey.

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Posted April 14, 2017 - 01:56 PM

I would suggest that you get the engine running and operate the governor to see for sure it's operating range. Otherwise your basing your decisions on guess which is never a good thing. People told me the engines out of APU's had fixed governors. This turned out to not be the case after running one. 


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Posted April 14, 2017 - 05:54 PM

I would suggest that you get the engine running and operate the governor to see for sure it's operating range. Otherwise your basing your decisions on guess which is never a good thing. People told me the engines out of APU's had fixed governors. This turned out to not be the case after running one. 

Yeah, that's been my experience, too, but you never know.

 

I got the engine running just after I bought it, but didn't want to disturb the fuel pump settings as I originally bought it to be used for a genset.  My neighbor is an electrician and he's going to (someday) help me check out the generator to see if it's still good.

 

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Posted April 14, 2017 - 05:57 PM

So, I came across a guy with a DewEze ATM72 mower for sale--this is the one with the inline drive wheels and outrigger wheels that allows you to mow steep slopes, etc. 

 

It has a 20 hp Lister-Petter LPA-3 engine in it...3 cylinder, air cooled, similar to a Deutz, and quite heavy for it's size--290 lbs dry weight. It's over 100 lbs heaver than the Kohler K582,  and almost twice the weight of a Mitsubishi L3A (engine only).

 

Still, it may be a better engine for my application since I won't have to deal with a radiator, plumbing, etc.

 

Anyone have any experience with the L-P engines?

 

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Posted April 14, 2017 - 09:59 PM

I have a single cylinder Lister in a Wheel Horse. I really like Lister-Petters engines. They are built like tanks. And as you said, the lack of water cooling very much simplifies the installation.

Don't forget to post photos please.   :thumbs:


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Posted April 15, 2017 - 10:28 AM

We had 2 bigger 5 cylinder engines on the farm for irritating​ they were good engines always just chugging along

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Posted April 16, 2017 - 06:50 AM

So, I came across a guy with a DewEze ATM72 mower for sale--this is the one with the inline drive wheels and outrigger wheels that allows you to mow steep slopes, etc. 
 
It has a 20 hp Lister-Petter LPA-3 engine in it...3 cylinder, air cooled, similar to a Deutz, and quite heavy for it's size--290 lbs dry weight. It's over 100 lbs heaver than the Kohler K582,  and almost twice the weight of a Mitsubishi L3A (engine only).
 
Still, it may be a better engine for my application since I won't have to deal with a radiator, plumbing, etc.
 
Anyone have any experience with the L-P engines?
 
Smitty


Those are good engines, and run forever.

Those are a little larger engine than say a D600, and so on.
I wonder if it will fit without too much tractor fabrication?

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Posted April 16, 2017 - 07:12 AM

Specifications for LPA2 & LPA3 “Alpha” Series Engines



LPA2

LPA3

Power Output @ 3000 RPM:

13.9 hp (Continuous power)

20.9 hp (Continuous power)

15.3 hp (Intermittent Power)

23.1 hp (Intermittent Power)

Number of Cylinders:

2

3

Bore:

76.0 mm

76.0 mm

2.99 in.

2.99 in.

Stroke:

80.0mm

80.0mm

3.15 in.

3.15 in.

Cylinder Capacity:

0.726 litre

1.089 litre

44.3 in.3

66.5 in.3

Lubricating Oil Capacity: (including filter)

3.2 litre

4.4 litre

5.6 pint

7.7 pint

Fuel Consumption @ 2500 RPM: (75% load)

1.9 l/h

2.9 l/h

3.4 pt/h

5.1 pt/h

Dry Weight:

229 lb

291 lb

Dimensions:

17.8 in. (length)

21.7 in. (length)

20.3 in. (width)

20.3 in. (width)

22.6 in. (height)

22.6 in. (height)
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Posted November 10, 2019 - 12:42 AM

Well, the Kubota engine is out of the question, now.  I moved from my old house to a new one last winter, and had a lot of my things still loaded on several trailers awaiting the drying in of my shop.

 

Last April, my DIL (she and my son and their 3 boys live with us), asked me where the tan trailer was. 

 

I said, "Just out front.." but it wasn't...

 

Some low-life stole on of my trailers from right in front of my house on a dead end street (we're the only house on the street)... among other things it had the Kohler genset with the Kubota engine, my anvil, a steel workbench, several case of engine oil, misc. tools....

 

To make things worse, they also stole the new adjustable hitch off the back of my pickup... Grrrr!!

 

Anyway, now I'm back to looking at putting the ruggerini in the HT23... when I get my shop completed!!

 

Smitty


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Posted November 10, 2019 - 01:11 PM

Wow Smitty welcome back. I've wondered from time to time what you are up to. Good to hear from you.

Sorry to hear about your bad luck. That sort of thing really burns me up. 

Otherwise I hope things are going well for you. Let us know how the project goes. 



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Posted November 10, 2019 - 04:22 PM

Wow Smitty welcome back. I've wondered from time to time what you are up to. Good to hear from you.

Sorry to hear about your bad luck. That sort of thing really burns me up. 

Otherwise I hope things are going well for you. Let us know how the project goes. 

Thanks, Chris

 

It's good to see many of the "ol' timers" here, along with others I don't know, but who share our passion in things mechanical and especially GTs.

 

I've been pretty busy the last couple years, but, the exterior of my shop is finished, the electrical has been run and is waiting on the Power Company to run upgraded service to my panel, and we've a hoist and started to insulate the inside.

 

I bought a Trak 1440 SL CNC hybrid lathe, a Taiwanese Enco 9 x 40 Vertical Mill, a Tree Journeyman 310 3 axis CNC mill, and a Taiwanese Enco 12x24 manual lathe... plus the MIG welders, torch, plasma cutter, bandsaws, drill presses, grinders, etc. etc., that I already had.

 

They're all waiting patiently for us to install the insulation and electricity, get things moved into place and hook them up so they can go to work... It's been too long since I've been able to work in my shop and I've been patient, but I want it RIGHT NOW!! ;o}..

 

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