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Posted June 23, 2020 - 09:43 PM

Steering column parts update:  I have found some sources for parts and I am going to take the chance on them.  

Cam Follower M45567
https://www.ebay.com...m/223575244314 

For reference - cam follower from Deere was $25 and this one was $17 shipped

 

Massey Ferguson, Cub Cadet, Ford, Garden Tractor Ross Steering Box Foam Rubber Seal
https://www.ebay.com...872.m2749.l2649

 


Bearing Kit 
https://www.ebay.com...497.m4902.l9144

 

For reference - bearing kit from Deere was $61 cheapest price, this was $26 shipped


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Posted June 24, 2020 - 04:09 PM

I purchased this one on eBay this morning and it will be here next week.  
https://www.ebay.com...4.c100227.m3827


Now back to the steering box.

 

 

The replacement driveshaft arrived today but I have not compared it to the 312 setup yet.  I will get some pics when that happens.


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Posted June 25, 2020 - 07:46 AM

AM32883 is the remaining piece of the steering rebuild - the dragline that connects the steering box to the front axle steering linkages.  Deere is the only option and $132 is the cheapest I can find.  I remember this piece on the 120 and it was about the same price at that time.  I considered building one of my own or updated that old one but space is very limited.  Probably will just jump on the new one from Deere and be done with it.


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Posted June 25, 2020 - 07:47 AM

For reference 

M43744 gasket NLA
M43743 cap $9.04
AM31924 bearing kit $63.12
M45568 seal $4.16
M45569 seal $7.36
M43747 washer  
AM32883 drag link $132.32
M45567 follower


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Posted June 26, 2020 - 08:44 PM

The bearings arrived today so I will put them next to the old ones and snap a few pictures for reference. Looks like the rest of the goodies will be here Monday.
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Posted June 27, 2020 - 08:43 AM

lots of companies used those Ross steering boxes. and I sometimes see posts on here saying "this company's part is outrageous, but Company B that used the same steering setup has this part for much less".... but not lately. my Ariens and Cub cadet machines all use them. some have different shaft lengths though but the innards of the steering box itself is the same among them. I think WH also used them. 



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Posted June 27, 2020 - 09:11 AM

Pics For reference. I like the races that were in the column better than the replacements but the bearings are nice. I probably will use the new bearings with the old races.

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Posted June 27, 2020 - 09:18 AM

lots of companies used those Ross steering boxes. and I sometimes see posts on here saying "this company's part is outrageous, but Company B that used the same steering setup has this part for much less".... but not lately. my Ariens and Cub cadet machines all use them. some have different shaft lengths though but the innards of the steering box itself is the same among them. I think WH also used them. 

Figuring out which parts cross-reference is the challenge.  By this time in Deere production the same column was pretty much used across the LGT stuff so the 200 series and closed frame 300 series tractors all use the same internal parts.  I found one vendor who cross-referenced the 200 series columns to the Cub world and ended up with these bearings.  I knew there was another source but it took me some time to figure it out.


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Posted June 29, 2020 - 09:09 PM

Two of three packages arrived today. Now I have all the goodies to rebuild the steering box.  Still waiting on the used AM32644 coupler that goes between the driveshaft and the flywheel.  I found a new one for $175 or a good used one for $18.  I chose the used one. 


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Posted June 30, 2020 - 06:47 PM

Pics of the rest of the parts for reference.

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Posted June 30, 2020 - 09:21 PM

since so many Cub cadets are used for pulling there are people (such as midwest super cub, etc) that make couplers for the Cub driveshaft to Kohler, some are billet, even.....  I wonder if someone like that makes them for the Deere? 


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Posted July 01, 2020 - 08:29 AM

since so many Cub cadets are used for pulling there are people (such as midwest super cub, etc) that make couplers for the Cub driveshaft to Kohler, some are billet, even.....  I wonder if someone like that makes them for the Deere? 

 

I wondered about those options but I'm also concerned the rigid couplers combined with the way the engine is mounted on this machine would be a recipe for problems.    


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Posted July 01, 2020 - 01:28 PM

Steering column is cleaned up and rebuilt. Next on the list is to prepare for paint, make it pretty, and reinstall before filling with grease. I used the new bearings with the old races, along with the screw follower from eBay. The giant thrust bearing is also visible in the pics.

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Posted July 01, 2020 - 01:29 PM

You can see the wear on the old screw follower. This one looks like new compared to the one in my 120.

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Posted July 01, 2020 - 05:15 PM

I wondered about those options but I'm also concerned the rigid couplers combined with the way the engine is mounted on this machine would be a recipe for problems.    

there is a rag joint on one end, (usually by the trans end) to absorb vibration and compensate for any slight misalignment issues on the Cubs. 

some of the same people who make the couplers make parts like the worm screw adjuster for the gearbox... 

I cant remember the guy I got my coupler from,  I think his name was Karber, out of Minnesota. 


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