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#1 HankS OFFLINE  

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Posted November 29, 2011 - 10:13 PM

Actually the tractor belongs to my son. It was in pieces when he got it from a friend. We've got it pretty much back together but are having a few problems. The wiring was all torn up and definitely not right. If anyone has an actual wiring diagram it sure would help. We've used the parts manual and think we may have it wired correctly but not sure. Also trying to find the proper drive belt, it's a hydrostatic trans. We're thinking 5/8 x 70 but not sure.

We'll probably try to fire it up tomorrow, got our fingers crossed. It came with the aluminum mower deck which is in good shape, no breaks or cracks. Picked up a 38" snow blower for it last week. Snow blowing is what we really need it for. We have a zero turn for lawn cutting. Hopefully we can get this thing running and use it this winter.

It's a neat little tractor. Pretty rough shape right now, paint wise, but is built like a tank. We'll have to get some new tires for the rear and make a new seat cushion. Looks like everything else, except battery cover, is there.

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Posted November 29, 2011 - 11:01 PM

:welcome: to GTTalk!

Hope one of the Ford guys can help you out. If you have a pic of your Son's new ride, post it up.

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Posted November 29, 2011 - 11:28 PM

Welcome to the forum, glad to have you here and hope you have fun here.

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Posted November 30, 2011 - 05:06 AM

Hanks,welcome to the forum.
Glad to have you with us.

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Posted November 30, 2011 - 06:08 AM

Welcome, Hanks! Glad you joined up! Do you have a model # for that Ford, or an approximate year? There are a couple different manuals for a Ford 120, depending on what model/year. A pic would help figure out the model #. Engine #'s will help with the year.


Did some searching at Messicks. Found a Model 53250 tractor the takes a .066 X 72.43 belt, # 86518888. If some one finds a different belt, post it up.

Edited by KennyP, November 30, 2011 - 06:33 AM.
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Posted November 30, 2011 - 08:10 AM

Thanks for the welcome. Don't have any pictures yet, hood and front grill aren't installed yet. I believe it's a 67 with the angle frame. We can find a lot of info on the later LGT series with the tubular frame but not the 120. I'll try to find a model number, we tried a 72" belt and it was to long, thanks for looking it up though.

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Posted November 30, 2011 - 08:26 AM

I looked in my manuals. The Ford 80,100,120 parts lists a 343017 belt. Jacobsen Chief Manual lists a 342660 belt. No sizes on them. Part #s have probably been changed. I need to find that Gates belt link, may be able to cross those over to a size.

Both those part #s cross over to a NAPA 5L770, which is a 77" belt. I found a NAPA Belt Cross Reference that lists a BUNCH of #'s. I'll have to figure out where to upload it.

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Posted November 30, 2011 - 04:22 PM

I looked in my manuals. The Ford 80,100,120 parts lists a 343017 belt. Jacobsen Chief Manual lists a 342660 belt. No sizes on them. Part #s have probably been changed. I need to find that Gates belt link, may be able to cross those over to a size.

Both those part #s cross over to a NAPA 5L770, which is a 77" belt. I found a NAPA Belt Cross Reference that lists a BUNCH of #'s. I'll have to figure out where to upload it.


I cross referenced those numbers and they're definitely not for this tractor. I found this # 343363 as the drive belt for the 120 but can't find a cross reference for it.

Got the wiring figured out. The picture in the manual shows the terminals on the VR as L (light), B (battery) and F (field) top to bottom on the side. A (armature) is on the back. Finally pulled it out cleaned it off and discovered the picture has the side terminals reversed. So we got it cranking over but no spark. Pulled the points and cleaned them up, they were a little corroded, and we got spark. We got it firing using starting fluid but not on gas from the tank. Carb float and needle valve were gummed up and the lines into the fuel pump were also gummed up.

It's pretty cold here and I had to come in. Fractured my pelvis a few months ago and the cold makes it ache like crazy. My son should have it back together soon and we'll see. I'm sure we'll get the engine running then move on to the drive belt and hope the hydrostatic trans is good.

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Posted November 30, 2011 - 08:35 PM

:welcome: to GTTalk!

Hope one of the Ford guys can help you out. If you have a pic of your Son's new ride, post it up.

Join in Chats too.

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Posted November 30, 2011 - 09:29 PM

Looked at the Ford Belt Guide in the manuals section. Lists several different models of the 120 but not a 53059 which is what this one is. We're going to try a 5/8 x 70 kevlar belt and see what we get, we've tried a few belts already and 70" seems to be the one.

Got the float valve unstuck and the fuel pump cleaned out, it's pumping gas now. The valves inside the pump we're gummed up too. Got late and dark and cold. We'll get the carb back on tomorrow and hopefully have it running. I should do a compression check on it to see if the valves are good but when we shot it with starting fluid it sounded pretty strong. We'll see.

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Posted December 01, 2011 - 03:11 AM

HankS, the 53059 model # comes up as a t1000 10 HP Gear tractor at Messicks:
53059.jpg
All the tractors in this series use the 86518888 Belt for a Hydrogear, which is 72.43 long. Something isn't adding up with the numbers. I'll keep searching for one that uses your belt #343363.

I crossed the 343363 belt to a Napa # of B70 using the Napa Guide found here:
Napa_Id_Guide_ForWeb.pdf - Manuals - Garden Tractor Talk - Forums

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Posted December 01, 2011 - 03:49 AM

I looked up the JAC343363 belt and got this:
343363.jpg
Checked the JAC343359 and got this:
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The JAC343363 crosses to a B70 which is 73" long. The JAC343359 crosses to a 5L720W which is 72" long. The 86518888 is not listed in the NAPA guide, 72.43"

Are you sure about that tractor model #? It could be 53091(93) which is a T120 12HP Hydrogear, but these still list the 8651888 as the drive belt. All I can figure is someone changed a pulley to a larger one, making the belt length shorter.

Edited by KennyP, December 01, 2011 - 04:04 AM.


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Posted December 01, 2011 - 11:42 AM

Welcome HankS. Glad you are here. Once you and your son get that 120 in line, post some pictures. I'm glad you got some help so soon. Good job Kenny.

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Posted December 02, 2011 - 11:32 AM

Thanks for all your help guys. I have the serial # tag and that's the model # on the tag, 53059. The engine is a Kohler 301, 12hp and the rear end is definitely hydrostatic. The tractor was all in one piece when my son's friend picked it up on the side of the road a few years ago. A 70" kevlar belt is too tight so we'll try the 72".

Cleaned up the carb and fuel pump, it's alive! Fires right up and sounds good. Now if we can just get the right belt and see if it moves.

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Posted December 02, 2011 - 11:43 AM

Hank, I'm not doubting what you say. It sounds like someone has built this tractor from at least a couple different ones. I hope the 72" belt works. I'm not too familiar with the older Fords, but learning.




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