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#61 dave8338 OFFLINE  

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Posted January 04, 2012 - 02:16 PM

Going to look at a Ransomes Rough mower tomorrow afternoon. Has a 20HP Briggs(?) and a horizontal crank. Fully hydrostatic with lift cylinders for the 60" deck. Not sure on the power steering option...it may have it. IF...IF...IF... it looks like a good donor candidate for the 116 project, I'll buy it.

All of the parts I've ordered so far, have shown up. Having done a little research on the Ransomes mowers, I'm finding that they are VERY heavy duty. They were built with either a single hydro motor to power the drive wheels via a diff (it is a front mount set up) or with dual motors, one for each wheel. The thing is not light !

IF it works out, I'll adapt its' mower deck and lift system to a cat #0 three point and run the deck off the back of the JD, using my 10GPM pump and yet another hydro motor.
I would prefer this option as it would really make things less complicated. Each attachment would have its' own hydraulic motor. Hook up the lines and go.
Similar to a scaled down Bobcat.

Not having to plan for a belly mount deck, sounds like a winner to me. :bounce:

The thought of using the Ransomes "AS IS" has crossed my mind, too. Won't know until I see it. Either way, the 20hp horizontal set up, should make for a powerful little hydraulic machine. I'll take pics... :smile1:

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Posted January 06, 2012 - 11:27 AM

Went to look at the Ransomes yesterday afternoon and had to make a deal!

This might just be the machine I've been looking for and save me a LOT of time and fabrication work, to boot. I won't know "exactly" what I'm going to do until I get it home and in the shop for a side-by-side comparison. As it sits, I can see a full hydro unit simply by adding the 10GPM pump (the Briggs has pulleys off of both ends and a shaft drive for the hydro trans) and mod for the cat#0 three point. Has live PTO, single hydro motor running a REAL rear diff made of cast iron (looks to be a 3" axle housing) and loads of room to add nearly anything that I want. Not convinced that I'll hack on the JD now. :smiley-score005:
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Turns out that it is a 18hp Briggs and not the 20hp but 18 should be more than enough to do what I want. The rear (front on this thing) has a 48" track width and the tiller I have is a 36". After a beer in the shop last night and thinking things over, if I mount the tiller on a 3-point slide setup, I would be able to offset the tiller with the cylinder I already have, to either side which. This would make getting into all of the little corners and tight spaces very easy. I'll have to think a little on that idea. At this point...it looks like the 116 is safe from the knife but time will tell.

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Posted January 06, 2012 - 12:23 PM

Nice score :thumbs: It's going to give you lots of options ( guess that's good and bad ) Al
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Posted January 06, 2012 - 12:50 PM

Thanks, Al. For $ 200.00 and fully functional, I just couldn't leave it. :D

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Posted May 19, 2012 - 04:36 PM

I finally had a little time this week, to go over and retireve the Ransomes Rough Mower that I purchased last fall. I was prepared for nearly event. All needed wrenches to perform minor surgery if needed, fuel, fuel filter, fuel line, fresh 750cca battery (borrowed from my little Escort), air tank for the tires if needed, you name it...I "had it covered". Or so I thought.

After several attempts to keep the engine running with a splash or twelve of fuel in the carb (pulse fuel pump) it just would not pump fuel. No biggie... I'll remove the intake and carb as a whole and bring it to the tailgate of the truck and crack it open. Did I say CRACK...yup ! The plastic pulse pump on the carb had a cracked intake tube and once removed, broke into three pieces. :spanka:

So I loaded up all the tools and headed back home with the intake and carb, with the poor Ransomes looking at me like I stole its' lungs. :(

Off to the shop once I got home to tear into things a little closer. Turns out one of the pulse ports was completely plugged with what looked like rubber cement. Old fuel and three years of sitting, left the carb internals ALL gummed up and non functioning. On a hunch, I popped the hood on one of the 116's to see what it had for a carb. LOOKS LIKE THE EXACT SAME ONE ! Now, I'm not going to tear off a good working unit to fix another however, I headed to a site where I order JD pats and EVERYTHING was listed as obsolete/ not available. :mad2: Then I headed over to this little site: http://www.ereplacem...105.html?page=3 and though the part numbers are all different, the carbs look to be the exact same, inside and out. I went ahead and ordered $20.00 in parts and we'll see how it all comes together, or not.

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Posted May 24, 2012 - 12:15 AM

Here is what I'm starting with, for the sliding three point:

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And an additional attachment:

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Edited by dave8338, May 24, 2012 - 12:22 AM.


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Posted May 24, 2012 - 06:49 AM

Very neat design, thanks for the pictures.

Did the carb parts work?

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Posted May 25, 2012 - 12:52 PM

Very neat design, thanks for the pictures.

Did the carb parts work?


Still waiting on them. The intake to head gaskets (should have just made them myself) are on back order and they won't be shipping the rest of the parts, until everything shows up. I may change their minds as I need to get the machine home and get rolling on putting all the pieces together. Only so much I can do from MANY photos and measurements taken.

On the bright side, I've used the "spare" time to build a wall at the front of the garage at the 26' mark, so that I'll have an additional 24"x21-foot shelf to store parts and pieces on, and am working on another bench on the other side of the new wall, that will have a duck tail ramp and hinge on one end, to allow for GTs and bikes to be placed on the "ramp" and then raised up to and driven onto the new bench. Should make working on these projects a little easier as I'm only getting older. :confuse:
The new bench will be 42" wide by 21 feet long and will have outlets every 6 feet, 20 feet of florescent lighting above it, and more storage space below the bench. Hope to have it mostly completed by Sunday evening. Time will tell...

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Posted June 04, 2012 - 09:50 AM

Carb parts showed up on Saturday ! :dancingbanana:
Looks like everything will fit so ... so much for the JD carb parts being obsolete. :smilewink: The parts are all genuine Briggs & Stratton and as I couldn't find a model number or even a part number on the carb, I'll have to assume that B & S built the carbs, too.

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And the little pump that started this whole process:

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Just curious if anyone is interestred in a carb rebuild / tutorial and pics with part numbers?

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Posted June 05, 2012 - 06:43 AM

That could come in handy for someone down the line. Go for it!

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Posted June 16, 2012 - 11:31 AM

Fianlly... the Ransomes is home and running strong !

Time to get to work on putting this critter all together.

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Posted June 18, 2012 - 12:06 PM

I've started "making room" for the new hydro pump and a 45amp alternator, on the rear of the 18hp Briggs. There were two pulleys already on the machine that were doing nothing. One (closest to the engine) was bent and not worth saving. The other, was a clutch type pulley and also ratteling and making strange noises. Both needed to go away and be replaced with what I need to make the correct ratios work with the alternator and hydro pump. Here is what I started with:

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No way to get things apart from YEARS of rust and some of the most ridiculous engineering that I've seen in awhile. In theory... the whole unit "should have" come off in one piece. In reality, it took a couple of hours and three cutting blades in the 4" angle grinder, to remove the lump-O-junk.

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Step two was to cut through the bearing at the key-way so as not to cut into the crank shaft.

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Almost there.
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Just one of the many pitfalls of working on an existing design platform. Overall, the mower should work well and there should be enough room so as not to make everything I'm planning, a knuckle-buster.
Next will be the mounting bracket for the new hydro pump.

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Posted June 21, 2012 - 11:10 PM

My Ransomes mower...is NOT ! It is a Jacobson and the 61" deck, is a Ransomes and to me, having owned a Scag in the past, looks to be one in the same.

From this point on, it will be a garden tractor, I promise... :smile1:

How does this look for a three point platform? Had just enough time to pull the deck tonight but can wait to actually start putting things together.

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Posted June 22, 2012 - 05:18 AM

That 'piece of junk' you cut off was a Cub Cadet PTO clutch and starter/generator pulley. What it was doing on there, I cannot answer! Have fun!




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