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Posted October 31, 2011 - 04:50 PM

I was planning on celebrating getting it home. Now, not so sure. Does anyone know
what I have here?

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Posted October 31, 2011 - 05:06 PM

A little follow-up while the laughter subsides. After I got the tree off it , it was stuck in about 6" of mud, hence both rear tires were rotted, and we had to drag it out. I opened the Hydro by pass but the tires were so bad it just slid (SLUD as Dizzy Dean once said). I was a little disappointed re: the engine, but he said it ran (don't they all?) and offered to give me a set of matching rear tires and wheels, so I don't feel too bad about the $75. Both the Gilson and Bolen were decalled H16. If that means anything.
The Bolens was green , but a big tractor.------Say, is the ugliest tractor contest over yet?

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Posted October 31, 2011 - 05:08 PM

Doesn't look too bad. Someone did a little surgery to put in the transplanted Kohler, but that's correctable. The hydro tank is there and looks intact, most of the tin is there and straightish, and you got the brackets, rod, lift arm, etc for the sleeve hitch.
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Posted October 31, 2011 - 05:26 PM

Thanks AND I got the pics a little better thanks to you. Anyway to know what Hydro it is?

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Posted October 31, 2011 - 05:30 PM

IDK brand, I'm sure someone does. Here's the link to the service manual. Massey Ferguson MF10 and MF12 Service Manual - Manuals - Garden Tractor Talk - Forums
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Posted October 31, 2011 - 06:14 PM

"OK Guys -I'll say it first "Looked Better with the Tree on it"


Oh Heck, don't be thinkin like that. It's a GEM, that you saved!:worshippy1:

Alot of those imperfections will buff right out.
Heck, lucky you. You've already got the steering wheel half way off.:D
One of the biggest challenges in tearing down one of those old girls.

Looks like all the tin is there, except for the drive belt guard at the engine. (ebay)
I like the spring loaded seat.

Lookin forward to more updates.
Nice catch.:thumbs:
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Posted October 31, 2011 - 06:24 PM

judging by your serial# it"s a 1970.It's got potential.
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Posted October 31, 2011 - 06:31 PM

Take pics before it's out, we'd love to see them.

BTW, I could be wrong here, but it thought by the time the 12's were out, they had switched over to the CDI. Maybe I'm all wet, maybe it's had a transplant from an earlier unit, be interesting to find out. Looking forward to the findings.


You are wrong Alan! My 1967 MF12 hydra is points ignition & Delco starter/generator equipped. The first half of 67 (1st year of production) they had points ignition & Delco starter/Gen. Around midyear they switched to ring gear starter & Solid State ignition. Mine was the 44th tractor to come off the line.
But obviously, this tractor was never equipped with a points based Tecumseh.

Here's a pic of mine at local show where you can see the Delco on the HH120.

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Posted October 31, 2011 - 07:08 PM

olcowhand---What do you think the original engine was.? The Hydro is an Eaton? (has fins)? is that correct?---LeeB

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Posted October 31, 2011 - 07:14 PM

Given the year, it was a Techumseh HH120 with the CDI (electronic) ignition.
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Posted October 31, 2011 - 07:50 PM

olcowhand---What do you think the original engine was.? The Hydro is an Eaton? (has fins)? is that correct?---LeeB


Definitely Tecumseh HH120 on the engine. I forget at the moment, but I'm thinking the hydro is "Hydrogear" (but I may be brain farting).
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Posted October 31, 2011 - 07:56 PM

I agree with everyone else! Not so bad as it coulda been! Looks pretty straight and complete to me. A little elbow grease and a few parts should get you back in the saddle! Nice score!
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Posted November 01, 2011 - 02:39 AM

After all it is somewhat straight and mostly all there. Biggest challenge looks like finding the correct engine. I found a guy who says he has all NOS internals but no HH120 block.
Also claims to have "a ton" of NOS Kohler iron block parts as well. That may be the mother-load. I'll see.

I need some sort of Operators Manual too, just to help ID whats missing. I downloaded the serv. manual and thats some help.

Now to get it off the trailer and go pick up my JD LX 176 mower I scored yesterday also.
Its newly new looking just needs the 14 HP KAW from my LX 172.

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Posted November 20, 2011 - 10:36 AM

:confuse:Not sure where to begin. I suppose whats here? and whats next? Sadly the PO did more harm to this old tractor than the tree did:mad2: but I've got to decide whether these parts can be saved or whether I need a donor.

Can someone help with specs on this engine and whether another would be in order?

The I.D. plate is only partially legible -----K 241 S A 21056 and below that, SPEC.NO. 46333D. -----It never fit with the air cleaner in place due to grill interference.---Next week I'll drain old fluids, replace and try to start it in place, then pull it.---I really like the old girl but man, the mountain seems higher and higher.-----I'm probably going to have the same questions about the hydro once I can get to it and
clean the rest of the mice nests.

Mighty gratefull for any help....encouragement---hugs---sympathy:worshippy1:PB190045.jpg

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Posted November 20, 2011 - 10:54 AM

There's a lot to be done, but it's not "mission impossible". First thing is to decide if you want an OE engine, which is a Tecumseh HH120. These hydro's rarely die, so it may not need much at all other than cleaning up & lubing all control points.
What do you mean by "pull it"? If you mean pull to crank the engine, that is impossible, as the hydro will not turn the engine by being pulled. Pulling a hydro can damage it.
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