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#1 markdombroski OFFLINE  

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Posted September 09, 2011 - 01:58 AM

Just wanted to say hello to everyone and I have caught the Garden Tractor bug.

Recently I found a 140 H1 in "well used" condition. However, I only paid $150 for it. Someone welded a vertical bar with padding to the front to push cars around a junk yard. Also, there is a railroad track bar hanging below to grade a gravel driveway.

First, I cut off the front bar and removed the skid. I then rebuilt the carburetor, cleaned all of the junk out of it. Now it doesn't pee out gasoline from the air cleaner. It runs well. with the Kohler K301 engine. I changed the oil and replaced the deteriorating gasoline line and added a fuel filter. It runs well, but now I need to figure out the next steps.

The hydraulic lift works, and I think I will get the PTO working and test other items. Eventually, I want to do a full restoration.

I am looking for input on what to do next and what kind of paint to use. Do people prime before painting or paint to bare metal?

What kind of paint should I use on the engine?

Can I treat the rust on the muffler and paint it?

- Mark


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Posted September 09, 2011 - 03:29 AM

Welcome to GTT mark , you can find high temp paint at napa. or any decent sized autoparts store for that matter , i have used cheapo flat black BBQ paint and it seems to work as well as the next product . scrape and sand that muffler to bare metal and lay the high temp paint right on the bare metal. the high temps will eventually burn off any paint anyways . standard rattlecan block paint for the motor . the body always needs the original shine sanded off and a i do a double coat of primer wet sanded before doing a basecoat/clearcoat . the best looking job takes about 10 hours prep for any 1 hour of painting. the plastic body parts may take a particuler type of primer , im used to steel ,im sure a john deere guy can tell you. or in one day you you could rough sand ,thourely clean and blow on 2 quick coates of tractor and implement enamel ,bout 60 bucks a gallon . if its gonna be a respectable workin tractor and not a show queen the one day strip and quick blowover might be the best route . you can always redo easy enough if you only spent 6 hours total the first time , some people have done fine with spray cans for the body but i have had trouble getting a proper consistent even shine over larger areas . rather pull out the automotive spray gun and deal with the cleenup.best of luck buddy :wave:. PS , I wish i had that big a$$ road scraper hangin underneath .

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Posted September 09, 2011 - 04:26 AM

Mark,welcome to the forum.
Glad to have you with us. That tractor bug is very contagious.

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Posted September 09, 2011 - 04:38 AM

:welcometogttalk: Looks to need a little TLC, but otherwise a usable tractor. I have a piece of railroad iron that is forty-some inches long. I usually use it for ballast when needed.

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Posted September 09, 2011 - 06:05 AM

Welcome Mark. Congrats on the tractor! I would suggest that you go over the tractor and identify all the parts that need replacement due to wear or damage. If you are going to use the tractor before restoring it then you may need to replace some parts now to avoid doing further damage. Then you can start gathering parts for the restoration. It's a big job to restore a GT from the frame up. It looks like the grader under the tractor could be flipped over to scarify the driveway with those spikes. That would be a nice attachment if you have a gravel drive to deal with.

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Posted September 09, 2011 - 06:42 AM

Welcome to GTtalk. I actually like you're scraper and at some point will be fabricating something like it for mine. You have got some good advice above but I always change all the fluids, trans, engine and add Marine appliction Stabil, seafoam, marvel mystery oil. It comes down to preference. I always add stabil to all my fuels and lately I have been using seafoam. Gas is not the same as it was 40yrs ago. Contagious is the right word, like Pringles bet you cant take just one. Good luck and have fun.

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Posted September 09, 2011 - 10:17 AM

Mark, WELCOME To GT talk. If you can post the I.D. number and some more pictures, I don't see any turning brakes on this 140.

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Posted September 09, 2011 - 05:09 PM

Nice early 140 you got there Mark. It appears to be a '69 or early '70. It appears that you have most of the important parts other than the original grille. Real shame on the broken headlight bezel above the grill. That won't be cheap to replace. Anyway, congrats again, and enjoy!

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Posted September 09, 2011 - 09:25 PM

That 140 is a 1968, it doesn't look to bad ecspecially for the price.

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Posted September 10, 2011 - 12:24 AM

Mark, WELCOME To GT talk. If you can post the I.D. number and some more pictures, I don't see any turning brakes on this 140.


Hi Texas, The Model is: T0582 Serial Number is : 001164M

According to my lookup, it appears to be an early 1968 model and the 164th unit produced. Don't know if this really means much.


Year Serial Number Engine
1968 1,001 - 10,000 Kohler K301 (12HP)
1969 10,001 - 22,400 Kohler K321 (14HP)
1970 22,401 - 30,000 Kohler K321 (14HP)
1971 30,001 - 38,000 Kohler K321 (14HP)
1972 38,001 - 46,500 Kohler K321 (14HP)
1973 46.501 - 56,500 Kohler K321 (14HP)
1974 56.501 - ? Kohler K321 (14HP)

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Posted September 10, 2011 - 12:25 AM

Thank you TM140!

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Posted September 10, 2011 - 12:53 AM

Hello All, thank you for your advice, information, and helping me move forward on the 140 H1. I think that I am being a bit compulsive. I just picked up a Massey Ferguson 10 this evening for $200 and found a JD 112 with tiller that I am looking at tomorrow. I have decided to stop after this as I will now have a handful of projects to do and my wife is worrying about me.

Anyways, listed below is the Model/Serial number tag from the 140 H1 and Kohler 301 engine. Also, a picture of the Massey Ferguson 10 garden tractor. I know, wrong forum for this :) Thank you again guys for the feedback and advice! - Mark


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Posted September 10, 2011 - 03:48 AM

with that early serial # I am not sure if this applies but Model T0582 is a "Patio" if serial is after 30,000 again not sure with early serial #. I like the looks of those patio models.

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Posted September 10, 2011 - 09:32 AM

Here is the information about the Tractor t0582001164m

Model: 140
Typecode: T0582
Serial Number: 1164
Model Year: 1968
Engine Model and Size: K301 Kohler 12HP
Lift Type: Hydraulic 1 Lever
Paint: Green
Manufactured Location: Horicon, WI

There were no 1968 patio models - those came out in 1969. There were unique types codes for the patios in 1970 and 1971, but not for 1969.

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Posted September 10, 2011 - 09:36 AM

Welcome to the party. It sounds like you did great for the price!




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