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#1 1965 Husky 1K OFFLINE  

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Posted August 04, 2011 - 10:12 AM

A friend of mine at work has an old Haban sickle bar mower. He said it may fit my Husky 1000. I hope its model 405. If it is, how available are the parts to perform a complete restoration and where can I find them??? Any and all leads are much appreciated.

                       

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Posted August 04, 2011 - 07:00 PM

I haven't looked for parts for these before, but I believe the are hard to find.........

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Posted August 04, 2011 - 07:36 PM

There seems to be alot of interest in the Haban equipment of late. I bought a nice Haban Flail Mower for my Bolens 900 and am looking forward to putting it to use.

I found this letter from Joe Haban's nephew Erwin through a YAHOO group and hope it may help others who like Haban's attachments.

Erwin Haban


First of all, a bit of history. My uncle, Joe Haban started Haban Manufacturing with my grandfather in 1952. The company was located in Racine, Wisconsin. The family farm (homestead) was located about 3 miles to the west near Franksville. My grandfather had three sons, all turned out to be Engineers and left the farm. My father, Joe's youngest brother is Frank. Our family, (Franks) has spent the majority (of my life) residing in Manitowoc Wisconsin. During summer breaks from High School, I would spend my time down at Haban Manufacturing. During those summers, I worked side by side with my uncle as he was engineering/adapting existing product to new model tractors each year. I understand his basic design intent and product requirements. Back home, I served a Machinist Apprenticeship with Manitowoc Cranes www.manitowoccranes.com in the 1970's. In the early 80's, things got tough up in Manitowoc and I found myself out of work. After a phone call, I ended up working for Haban Manufacturing for about (4) years in the mid-eighties. Having a machinist background, I paid a bit more attention to the manufacturing processes. During my time with the company, I supervised in Production Control as well as the Welding and Assembly Departments. When things broke lose at Manitowoc Cranes, they called me back. In time I ended up as one of their Supervisors in the Machine Shop, then Machine Shop Superintendent. This role also evolved into working with Manitowoc Crane Design Engineers, representing Machining, on the development of new models of Cranes. In time, I ended up being the new product development Team Lead on the Model 999 (250 ton) and 16000 (400 ton) Lift Cranes. A little over 4 years ago I was wooed away from Manitowoc Cranes to LDI Industries www.ldi-industries.com, as their Manufacturing Manager. They had just purchased another product line, "Vescor", and wanted to build a new manufacturing plant for that product. This new factory has what I would call (coming from manufacturing 80-1200 ton lift cranes) a core process of "Light Fabrication". We installed (2) 4KW plate lasers capable of cutting up to 1" thick material out of 6' X 12' sheets. Included with the lasers is full automation, full automatic loading and unloading of the sheets of material. The system also has the material storage system which is 25' high. This system consists of 16 trays capable of handling 6,000 pounds of sheet stock per tray. As I said, our Huntley Illinois primary focus is fabrication, our Manitowoc Wisconsin primary focus is machining. The link for a closer look of our newly completed project is the through this YouTube link. This will be a virtual tour (by myself) so have fun. .

I'm getting a bit long winded here but a last spring, my son Eric told me that there was a Haban
Users Group website established on Yahoo. I joined and listened in on issues. I was under
the impression, wrongfully so, that Agri-Fab was supporting loyal Haban customers when they purchased Haban Manufacturing (less the buildings) from the failed Polaris Group, the group that purchased the company from my uncle in 1995. Much to my dismay, it appears that Agri-Fab had turned its back on existing Haban customers. I felt I could help to some degree as I understand to Habans’ manufacturing processes, production parts and design intent, but am somewhat limited to model-specific information. I'll help anyone to the extent that I can.

I had found after getting involved with this Haban Users Group, that even the most basic information can be of help for many inquires. This perked my curiosity enough that I contacted Uncle Joe (now age 92). Joe told me that there was very little if anything left, but his, his Controller’s and his V.P. of Operations’ files were all “consolidated” into an “office” in building #4. After explaining to Joe that I was looking to help people with basic information pertaining to their unit, he thought that would be a worthy endeavor. Joe said that I could have anything left behind, which was a very good start, but far from complete. I made three trips down searching the complete plant for any information that could help. Everything in the plant was cleaned out; even paper trails which I was hoping to find in back corners, closets and so forth.

Uncle Joe kept a reasonable size file on the old Side-Mount Sickle Bars and early Snow Throwers that contained quite a few manuals. This has already helped out a few hobbyists that own Side-Mount Sickle Bars this past year. I purchased a scanner and scanned all about 80 manuals and have them accessible from the Haban Users Group website. I also have scanned about 50 color pieces of advertizing literature and about 80 original product photos from the Haban Tech Publication Department. I have many more manual to find. If you do not see your manual available from this website and have one for your attachment, please contact me. I’ll get a copy from you, scan it and make it available to everyone else to view or download.

My uncles V.P.’s files include the complete Deutz-Allis part number cross referenceto Haban part numbers. Additionally, I found a 1993-1994 and a 1994-1995 complete MAPICS printout of All-Sales, Whole Goods and Service Parts. I was pretty happy that I was able to find the old Haban Kardex (Production Control) files abandoned when everything was loaded onto MAPICS. These files, about 80 drawers, contained basic information on about 7,000 part numbers from day-1 to about the 17,000 part number range. I developed an Excel spreadsheet and loaded the 7,000 Haban Part Numbers and Descriptions along with any other pertinent information I could see from the cards. I am pulling the assorted Haban Part Numbers above the 17,000 range from the MAPICS printout “All-Sales, Whole Goods and Service Parts” sold for that year. This data entry is quite a bit more time consuming as they are not in part number order and do repeat quite a bit throughout the 4” thick printout which one would understand. I listed Haban Manuals across the top of the spreadsheet and checked off each Haban Part Number from the Parts Breakdown on this same spreadsheet. So, in essence, that Excel file is becoming a poor mans “Where-Used” for each part number. I have this accessible from the Yahoo-Haban Users Group website. I update the files periodically when I have enough additional information added. I found this database is being used! For example, more than once, people have looked for the Haban #3434 Springthat is missing from their Side-Mount Sickle Bar. They only have to scroll to the right across from the 3434 part number on the Haban Part Number Database, and they find the #3434 is also used on the Cub Cadet Snow Throwers. They have contacted Cub Cadet Dealers and found their needed parts for their Bolens and John Deere units!

On the home front, I have been married 30 years last July and have three sons, Eric, Elgin and Noah. Two of the boys are moved out of the house (ages 27 and 22), the third (twin age 27) has cerebral palsy and will be with my wife and I for the long run.

snow thrower that I want to adapt (mounting and drive) to the Kubota one of these summers. I also have a Haban Rear Mount 3-pt hitch Sickle Bar that hooks up to the Cat 1, 540 RPM tractor three point hitch.

I hope this helps give you an idea of how I fit into the Haban Manufacturing story,

Regards,

Erwin
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Posted August 04, 2011 - 08:34 PM

what parts do you need to restore it?

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Posted August 06, 2011 - 10:55 AM

I havent gotten it or even know which model it is. I was just putting out some feelers as to the availability of parts in case it does fit my tractor.

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Posted August 08, 2011 - 01:25 PM

You can also find most of the Haban manuals on a Windows Live site. It's where the Yahoo Haban site links you to for D/Ls.

If you have a Windows Live account (Hotmail, Messenger, etc.), then all you have to do is sign in and go here:

http://groups.live.c...banattachments/

On the left side of that page you will see a row of folders. The manuals are in the 3rd one down.

As for the Haban Sickle-Mos that will fit a tube frame, there are at least 3 of them.

405 - uses the PTO BELT to drive the mower
405A - uses the front PTO on the tractor.
414 - 'made' for some Wheel Horse models, but is really just a 405A with a few added parts that will make it work with the Wheel Horses.

I currently have a 414 mounted on my G10. It's not operational yet, as the PTO shaft that came with it is too short to reach from the PTO to the mower.

ETA:
I just looked at all of the Haban manuals I have, and it appears that the 413 that was for the Gravely 800 series may work as well. It also appears to be a 405A with added parts to make it fit.

Edited by OldBuzzard, August 08, 2011 - 01:40 PM.


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Posted August 08, 2011 - 04:21 PM

You do have to ask to be a member to that site before you can see the manuals.

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Posted August 17, 2011 - 10:32 AM

I just joined, I picked up a 415 for my HT.

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Posted August 21, 2011 - 05:54 PM

I got it working today, but if I hook up the hydraulics to lift and lower the bar, it does not go all the way down. I tried to get on the "yahoo group" last week but they still have not accepted me?? So can anyone with a 415 on an HT 20 have any pictures that might help me?

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Posted August 22, 2011 - 06:37 AM

Sorry I cant be of any help on this..... Hopefully a Largeframe guy comes along soon to help you out

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Posted August 22, 2011 - 09:25 AM

Do you have the 415 or 415A mower?

If it's the 415 there are two notches for the lift arm. One is for lifting the mower to 90 deg for transport, and the other is for regular mowing and only lifts the arm to 60 deg.

Edited by OldBuzzard, August 22, 2011 - 09:46 AM.


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Posted August 23, 2011 - 07:41 AM

A series, I finally have the manual!!! Got it all figured out!!! Thanks.

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Posted August 23, 2011 - 10:50 AM

What was the cure?

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Posted August 24, 2011 - 06:42 AM

The rod that hooks to the "lift arm" and back to the linkage under the tractor was installed incorrectly, thus "shortning" the rod too much.

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Posted August 29, 2011 - 07:43 PM

Hi, I have a haban sickle mower # 405, and I want find a tractor to make it work, but I dont know what tractor, I read about them nd they say for bolens, so i bought a bolens qs 16, and did not work, please help me out, what tractor do i need, it says model 405 and serial 184113 B

thank you.