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#1 mjodrey OFFLINE  

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Posted July 25, 2011 - 07:40 AM

Ok, as some of you may have read in my Blog,I am swapping out the Dana 50 Twin Traction Beam independent front axle in my '93 F-250 4x4, for a Dana 60 solid axle from a '93 F-350 4x4.

I bought the whole F-350 parts truck from a logging company ,and towed it home on a trailer.The other day I got a chance to strip it,and over the weekend,I took the front end apart to check it over before installing it in mine.I don't want to take mine apart until I one ready to go back in it.

I find that the pinion bearing is bad,the u-joints are toast, needs axle seals too. BUT here is the problem,they run it with a bad wheel bearing for a long time I'd say,and it has chewed up the outer stub axle.

Here is where I need some help.Does anyone know if the stub axles from the Dana 50 with fit ?My truck has perfect stub axles.I have looked on line,but some say they will,and others say they won't.One guy said the u-joint size is different,while another guy says they will fit because he has done it.

I have been into Fords and Ford trucks for close to 30 years now,but I have never compared those two parts.Is there anybody here that can give me some info on this? PLEASE!

Thanks for any help in advance.

Edited by mjodrey, July 25, 2011 - 10:34 AM.


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Posted July 25, 2011 - 08:18 AM

That is a tough one Maynard. I know I can't answer it for you. I hate to say it but you might have to partially tear down your truck to properly compare the stub shafts. I know it isn't what you want to do.

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Posted July 25, 2011 - 02:37 PM

Maynard, I'm sure there is a Ford truck forum where you will have a better chance of getting the info you need.

I'm not trying to be a smart-a$$. .....I frequent street-rod forums, and much technical knowledge is shared there, so I'm sure you will do better at a Ford-truck specific forum.

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Posted July 25, 2011 - 03:19 PM

Have you tried talking to an experienced Ford truck mechanic or parts guy. The parts guy could check the parts manuals and tell you if it is the same part.

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Posted July 25, 2011 - 03:30 PM

I have been talking to the parts guy at my local Ford dealer,and he says his records don't go back far enough.On the other hand,he tells me that that part is not available from Ford,but that I can get the whole left side axle,which includes both inner and outer shafts,and the u-joint,all for a mere $1300.YEAH RIGHT, that's more than I paid for the whole parts truck.

Yes there are Ford truck forums ,but I get yes and no answers to the say question,depending on who answers.


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Posted July 25, 2011 - 03:48 PM

Unfortunately, I agree with George...You may have to tear them down and just compare the parts! If the parts dept. at your Ford dealer doesn't have books that go back that far, where did they go? May want to ask that question and then look that guy up!

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Posted July 25, 2011 - 03:51 PM

http://www.partswebs...n=19&type=parts

looks like the Dana 50 axle takes a different part than the Dana 60.

edit:

This shows the outer shaft is different on each too.
http://www.partswebs...n=19&type=parts

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Posted July 25, 2011 - 09:16 PM

I have a spare cub 104 rearend if that helps you. :rolling:

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Posted July 25, 2011 - 09:49 PM

Maynard, the only things I can do are
Give you moral support and pray.

Good luck, my friend!

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Posted July 26, 2011 - 07:09 AM

Maynard, the only things I can do are
Give you moral support and pray.

Good luck, my friend!


:ditto:

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Posted July 26, 2011 - 08:22 AM

Maynard... Here is the thing. It "may fit" as for length, and spline count. You might even get lucky as far as the stub end. Check the u-joint application for both, I bet you find the Dana-60 has larger u-joints. This would eliminate the chance of swapping stub shafts if the are not perfect. IF they are the same, or at least the caps have the same OD and cross width, you may be in better shape. You may also have a problem with the OD of the shaft it self out of the Dana-60. If the inner shaft is thinner on the Dana-50, then the seal from the Dana-60 will be too big. Although, if the housing ID on the Dana-60 is the same as the Dana-50, you may be able to run the Dana-50 seal int he Dana-60 housing.

Many thing's like this may work, but you really have to try and test for yourself. I would pull your Dana-50 shaft out before you tear the truck apart so that it can be checked. IF it will not work, you may be able to have it welded (They call it spray welding) and turned down on a lathe.

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Posted July 26, 2011 - 10:16 AM

Thanks guys,yes, I found out this morning that the 1-ton joint is larger. I am going to try and get the messed up one welded ,and turned down. I will let you know how I make out.

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Posted July 26, 2011 - 02:35 PM

I keep seeing this thread & sure wish I could help, but never really had any issues with the drivelines in our pickups. Sorry Maynard.

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Posted July 26, 2011 - 05:04 PM

:ditto: sorry.

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Posted July 27, 2011 - 05:02 AM

I am taking the axle a friend of mine to be welded and machined.I don't know if any of you follow NHRA drag racing,but this is Allyn Armstrong .He and his brother John,who is also a drag racer, and was world champion in his class at one point,have about the biggest machine shop ( A&J Automotive ) and the knowledge to use the equipment around,or at least around here anyway. If anyone can fix this shaft properly,Allyn can.
Allyn and John have raced all over Canada and the USA.
Here is a link that shows Allyn and John,and John's '69 Camaro,but you will have to scroll down to find them.
Atlantic Canadian Stock/Superstock Challenge

Edited by mjodrey, July 27, 2011 - 06:06 AM.





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