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#1 jdcrawler OFFLINE  

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Posted July 17, 2011 - 04:30 PM

Right now I have a back log on projects that need to be worked on so I wasn't really looking for another one.
This tractor has been sitting out for sale for a several months and we've driven by it almost every time we go to town.

I could tell it was some sort of home made rig but I really couldn't tell what it was from the road and I never bothered to stop and look at it.
Well yesterday morning my wife and were headed back home from grocery shopping and we drove by it again.
I mentioned to her that I was surprised that the tractor was still sitting there as I figured some one would have bought it by now.

Her response was that she was surprised that I've driven by it so many times and never stopped.
So .. after we put the groceries away, we drove back in to look at it.
Turns out it belongs to a guy that I have talked with in the past at some of the tractor shows.

Here are some photos of the tractor.

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Part of the reason it hasn't sold yet is the price he had on it.
While talking with him I got the impression that he bought this in the heat of the moment and realized later that he paid way too much for it.
I know that I've done that a few times myself.

After he got it home and started working with it he decided that it is more of a project than he is able to handle.
I told him the price was way out of my range but would he be interested in doing some trading ?
So that is what we did.


It defiantly is a home made project that ( from the look of it and materials used ) was most likely built by some one back in the 40's or 50's.
The work is OK but the engineering is really bad.
The clutch is the big pulley sticking up in the air behind the engine. I suppose it works OK but it sure is ugly !


It has a Briggs & Stratton engine that he said is a 1929 or 1930 ??
I really don't know anything about old B&S engines so I'll have to get some numbers off it and maybe some of you guys can identify it for me.

The rear drive system is from a Shaw Du-all model-K walk behind garden tractor.
This has a 3-speed transmission with reverse and individual band brakes on each wheel.
The frame is extended forward and a front axle was fabricated from pieces of I-beam.

The seat is stuck out the back so there is a big yellow counter weight on the front to compensate for the weight of the operator hanging out behind the rear wheels.

There is a piece of angle iron sticking up from both sides of the frame right in front of the seat.
These are the brake peddles.
This has a steering column from a Ford model-T and it is mounted very low so it can run under the engine.

The combination of seat location, peddles and steering wheel make it imposable to drive this unless you are only 4 foot tall.
The weight of the engine and the counterweight way up front, makes it very hard to steer.
I think these engineering problems was the another reason that it hasn't sold.

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I did some searching on the internet last night and came up with some photos of the type of walk behind garden tractor that they used for the drive on this.
This one is a 1937 Shaw Du-All model-K .

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I also ran across a couple of photos of another home made tractor that was made from a Shaw model-K garden tractor.
This one is engineered a lot better and looks like it would work very well.

The seat is positioned over the rear drive so there is plenty of foot room up front.
The shifter comes up along side the left side of the seat in a position that looks like it would be easy to operate.
The steering is run up over the engine so it gives the operator plenty of room.

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So ... now I have another project and I think it will be fun to re-build.
My plans are to take it all down to it's individual parts.
Then I'll re-build it and engineer it so the finished tractor retains the "old home built look" but is a tractor that is easier to operate.

I want to re-use the parts that were used to build it except for that front axle ( that has to go ).
I want to see if I can find a model-T axle to shorten and mount on it or build one from scratch that has the look of an old front axle.
I plan on taking the rubber off the rear steel wheels and putting cleats back on them so I want to find a pair of steel wheels for the front.

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Posted July 17, 2011 - 04:45 PM

That will be a heck of a project Ray, and you will have fun with it I am sure.
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Posted July 17, 2011 - 05:14 PM

you could loose a pant leg on that thing
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Posted July 17, 2011 - 05:53 PM

Awesome find! I've always liked the farmer engineering made from necessity. A lot of times they worked better than factory builts!
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Posted July 17, 2011 - 06:04 PM

That is a neat starting point. You will have fun with that, I am sure.
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Posted July 17, 2011 - 06:40 PM

you could loose a pant leg on that thing

Heck, you could loose more than a pant leg if your not careful.
That is another good reason to move that seat forward so your feet aren't resting down by the wheel spokes.

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Posted July 17, 2011 - 09:41 PM

That's going to be a great project and look good when you finish. For starters I think I would relocate the steering so you can drive it and relocate the counter balance weight, maybe sling it under the frame a little farther back so all the weight would not be on the front wheels. To solve the foot to spoke problem some kind of shield could be fabricated and installed. I like the way it looks.
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Posted July 18, 2011 - 04:57 AM

I'm sure you can make this into a useful machine. Good luck with it.
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Posted July 18, 2011 - 01:17 PM

I checked the ID tag on the engine today:

Type #60681
Model-B
Ser. #16915

This has a cast flywheel cover with the brackets for the starter crank molded on it.

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Posted July 18, 2011 - 02:31 PM

I checked the ID tag on the engine today:

Type #60681
Model-B
Ser. #16915

This has a cast flywheel cover with the brackets for the starter crank molded on it.


That model was built staring 1934 through 1948. I'll dig further for a year.
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Posted July 18, 2011 - 02:35 PM

That model was built staring 1934 through 1948. I'll dig further for a year.


It's a 1937!
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Posted July 18, 2011 - 02:45 PM

It's a 1937!

Thank you. I appreciate you checking that out for me.

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Posted July 18, 2011 - 03:15 PM

That looks like it will be a good project.
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Posted July 18, 2011 - 04:01 PM

Would your wife be up for a pic of her driving it ? Sunglasses an fade shot - my wife gave up after fourth electric.

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Posted July 19, 2011 - 08:34 PM

I've had this cast iron front axle setting up in the barn for several years.
It's a good strong axle with very heavy duty hubs.
I think the style of the axle will fit in well with the design of the tractor so I will use it to replace what's on it now ( unless something better turns up before I start on this ).

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There is a guy about 20 miles from me that has a bunch of old steel tractor and wagon wheels for sale.
I went over to look at what he had and came home with these.
They are 20 inch diameter and 3 inch wide.
The rear wheels on this tractor are 32 inch diameter and 4 inch wide so these will work well for the front wheels.

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The spokes on these wheels are an oval shape instead of being round.
I didn't realize until I got home that the spokes on the rear wheels of the tractor are the same shape and size.
So that was a very pleasant bonus.

The hubs will be cut off that extend out the front and the back so the wheels are left with just the center part of the hub.
I'll then make the center of the wheels so they bolt onto the axle hubs.




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