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Posted March 31, 2018 - 06:26 PM

Looking for information on new project I just picked up a fuller and Johnson Mower engine. I was told it was around 1923-1927. It has one Oiler for the cylinder and one smaller Oiler for the main shaft. The mag is chain driven. Also wondering if it is 2 cycle. Thanks

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Posted March 31, 2018 - 06:37 PM

I think I just posted a few pictures

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Posted March 31, 2018 - 07:39 PM

That looks like fun!


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Posted March 31, 2018 - 08:51 PM

They were used on a Coldwell model L. It has the wrong carb and I don't think the mag is original either. It is a 4 stroke engine.


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Posted March 31, 2018 - 09:06 PM

Its a 4 stroke, same principle as the Fairbanks-Morse behind it in the picture


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Posted April 01, 2018 - 06:53 AM

That looks like fun!



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Posted April 01, 2018 - 06:59 AM

Thanks, we’ve got it torn down and a friend is rebuilding the mag. Is there any way to tell if the engine is early fuller and Johnson mower or Coldwell?
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Posted April 01, 2018 - 08:42 AM

Geez I hope that wasn't on a push mower!


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Posted April 01, 2018 - 10:36 AM

Geez I hope that wasn't on a push mower!
 

It was self propelled.


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Posted April 01, 2018 - 10:51 AM

 Is there any way to tell if the engine is early fuller and Johnson mower or Coldwell?

 

According to this page,  it says it was dependent on the way it was mounted on the mower. Even the F-J mower appears to be Coldwell built. I'm not sure I agree with everything posted there. Coldwell was building mowers in the late 1800s. I've never seen one with the chain drive mag. What are they driving it from? There are also several threads on Smokstak.com about these.

 

Wouldn't let me put the link in the middle of the sentence. Here it is.

 

http://www.oldengine.../members/lozzi/


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Posted April 01, 2018 - 10:59 AM

Here is a link to threads on Smokstak'

 

https://www.google.c...iw=1280&bih=632


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Posted April 01, 2018 - 01:20 PM

F&J supplied 3301 of these little 3 1/2hp engines to Coldwell Lawn Mower Company from 1923 to 1927. F&J also used them on their own mowers.

 

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Chain drive mag is driven by the crankshaft

Should have a ignitor instead of a spark plug

 


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Posted April 01, 2018 - 01:46 PM

 

Chain drive mag is driven by the crankshaft

Should have a ignitor instead of a spark plug

 

From the original picture posted, it looks like the mag is being driven off the end of the cam shaft. I don't think mine has a shaft sticking out there. I've never seen one with an igniter. Not sure where that came from.


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Posted April 01, 2018 - 04:54 PM

From the original picture posted, it looks like the mag is being driven off the end of the cam shaft. I don't think mine has a shaft sticking out there. I've never seen one with an igniter. Not sure where that came from.

 

I missed that, you are right, the drive is off the cam shaft,

also missed that its a impulse mag too, wonder if its a fairbanks

duh  blonde moment

 

The engines we have from that period that have the chain drive are driven off the crank, 

We have Goold Shapley and Muir engines

The 2 square hopper uprights ( 1 1/2 and 2 1/2 hp) are chain driven off crank to mag 

Also have a round hopper ( 2 1/2 hp) that's set up for battery ignition

 

Also in the collection is a 3 1/2 tank cooled

battery ignition with ignitor

also has a auto sparker so no battery required


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Posted April 01, 2018 - 08:06 PM

Here’s another picture, I m not sure what drives the mag. We’re just about to get to the engine. Thanks for the information, I be seen some of the pictures and I will look into smokstak.

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