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#1 Mark 149 J. ONLINE  

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Posted February 14, 2018 - 12:43 AM

Saw this on CL in Walla Walla Washington (yes, that is the real name of the town).  The owner said it was a 149 and I was looking for a good used 14 hp motors to go into my 149 which currently has a 12 hp motor.  The owner said he had bought it as a project for him and his son  but they just don't have to time to work on it.  He was going to put a Landini diesel engine out of a 3500 watt generator in it.  The price was right so we drove the 2 hr round trip to pick it up.  It came with a mower deck, which I believe to be 50 inches, and it's in good shape.  Somewhere along the line somebody painted the tractor all one color and covered over all of the engine and tractor serial numbers.  The paint is so thick you can't even feel the embossed number on the rear transaxle.  I will use some paint remover to see what I can figure out from that.  Because I don't have any numbers and the engine looks like it is the 16 hp motor, based upon the cooling shroud that hold up the muffler and the size of the air cleaner, I think this is a 169.  I know that the engine could have been replaced so I won't know for sure until I can see the serial number.  If it's a 169 then it's an even better score because they sold 129000 of the 149 but only  23,000 of the 169 (Base upon tractordata.com).

Besides the paint being all screwed up, the muffler looks like it's off of a motorcycle. The engine ran fine until it was time to load the tractor and we couldn't getting it running again so the carb needs rebuilt.  The trans tunnel cover is missing the hydro release lever.  The steering column is missing the upper bushing so the steering wheel flops around.  It has the hydro sleeve hitch but the front pto is all messed up.  It also needs a new battery and ignition switch.  

I'm not sure what I'm going to do with the tractor if it is a 169.  I hate to part it out because they're not as easy to find.  Tell me what you think!  

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Posted February 14, 2018 - 01:21 AM

After reading through the owners manual I found out that the serial number is located on the side of the frame by the brake pedal.  

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The number reads 2050048U526512.  

So the tractor was built in 1974 which is the only year that they made the 169 however the 149 were also made in 1974.  At this point I'm not able to break it down any further until I can find anymore information on the serial number.


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Posted February 14, 2018 - 01:36 AM

Correction on the production of the 169.  I ran across some information on the 169.  Only 4006 during the last quarter of 1974 were produce according to Paul Bell.The final serial number was 529811.  My serial number does fall within 4006 produced at 526512 from the end point of 529811.


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Posted February 14, 2018 - 01:43 AM

PartsTree says the 2050048U is the 169!  Hurry!!!

Now what I'm I going to do!!!!


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Posted February 14, 2018 - 01:55 AM

   That's some ugly paint you have there mark. Looks like a solid tractor though. Now you just need to start a list of what it needs to be complete and functional and decide if it is a viable project. Did you get the lifting frame and mule drive for the deck with it.   Don


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Posted February 14, 2018 - 02:05 AM

   That's some ugly paint you have there mark. Looks like a solid tractor though. Now you just need to start a list of what it needs to be complete and functional and decide if it is a viable project. Did you get the lifting frame and mule drive for the deck with it.   Don

Hi Don!

Indeed it is very ugly!!!  Some of the paint is chipping off very easily.  I'm going to try and see how far I can get by using a putty knife or a razor scrapper.  

Did you like the muffler?  I new one costs $250!!! no wonder they stuck the ugly one on it!

Yes, the lifting frame and mule drive did come with it.   


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Posted February 14, 2018 - 05:44 AM

Looks like fun!


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Posted February 14, 2018 - 08:28 AM

Nice true 169 with the correct machine code of 0048. They built 4005 169's and yours was built in October of 1974. The engine should be a K341A and the original engines had 13 cooling fins and the replacement engine had 12 cooling fins. Yours also has the hydraulic lift and is a big +. The 169's came standard with an hour meter on the left side panel, big air cleaner and large muffler. I say remove the paint and restore that one. Great find! Keep us posted on the progress.


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Posted February 14, 2018 - 08:31 AM

Very nice score! Before playing with the carb, make sure that gas is getting to the carb.

I would say that you should restore the 169 and enjoy your good fortune. It is often handy to have a few spare GTs. Good Luck, Rick
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Posted February 14, 2018 - 10:18 AM

Nice true 169 with the correct machine code of 0048. They built 4005 169's and yours was built in October of 1974. The engine should be a K341A and the original engines had 13 cooling fins and the replacement engine had 12 cooling fins. Yours also has the hydraulic lift and is a big +. The 169's came standard with an hour meter on the left side panel, big air cleaner and large muffler. I say remove the paint and restore that one. Great find! Keep us posted on the progress.

Thanks for all of that great information Oak!!  Now all I need to do is get it running so I can get it off the truck and into the shop!

Which cooling fins do you count?  The side of the block? 

Unfortunately the side panels around the engine are missing but the wiring for the gauge should still be there.  I'll look for that as well.


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Posted February 14, 2018 - 10:21 AM

Sweet. The block looks like a newer 12 fin though. It might not have many hours on it which is always nice.

 

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Bad news is the muffler prices seem to have shot Way up in the past couple years. NOS Cub 169 muffler kit.

 

https://www.ebay.com...QUAAOSwkvFaaMW6

 

If the muffler sounds decent I would paint it and leave it on Or weld a mandrel bent elbow on it and make a stack out of it.


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Posted February 14, 2018 - 10:29 AM

Sweet. The block looks like a newer 12 fin though. It might not have many hours on it which is always nice.

 

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Bad news is the muffler prices seem to have shot Way up in the past couple years. NOS Cub 169 muffler kit.

 

https://www.ebay.com...QUAAOSwkvFaaMW6

 

If the muffler sounds decent I would paint it and leave it on Or weld a mandrel bent elbow on it and make a stack out of it.

Thanks Eric!

I was looking at a post you made (back in 2016) about the 169 muffler.  Your absolutely correct about the price.  $250 for a NOS.  Nobody makes an aftermarket that I can find.  I started looking for the Nelson muffler you mentioned in that old post but got tired last night.  I might even put a 149 muffler on it.


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Posted February 14, 2018 - 11:09 AM

Wonder if a muffler off of a JD 200 series would work?  You would have to block off the exhaust end and use a hole saw on the other end and weld in a hunk of pipe but it might work out pretty good and you can find them pretty cheap on Ebay. They are about the same size muffler and they sound about the same. The cub 169 muffler is just a little quieter.  I can measure the muffler on my 214 if you want to try modifying one.

 

Not sure how the baffles are arranged inside it but I think it will work out ok.

 

Here is one that looks to be in good condition.

 

https://www.ebay.com...AAOSw86JacYcp. 

 

My neighbor sold his 169 that I got running for him so I can't measure an original 169 muffler.

 

Cub Cadet Quietline muffler is almost the same as the JD muffler but it exits out the side of the muffler. The material on the sides is alot thinner than the end caps so the JD muffler should be easier to modify without burning through when welding.

 

https://www.ebay.com...ity!15554!US!-1


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Posted February 14, 2018 - 11:14 AM

   Muffler for $500. Sounds like an opportunity to sharpen your welding and fabrication skills. Seeing the paint on the deck I wondered if it would chip off easily. That and the fact the valve stem on the tire was also painted seemed to indicate lack of surface prep for the paint job. It is beginning to sound like it might be worth the effort. Enjoy. Don


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Posted February 14, 2018 - 11:23 AM

   I bet you are glad you are not going after that 169 today.    Don


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