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#1 js5020 OFFLINE  

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Posted February 01, 2018 - 11:19 AM

Back in 85 I bought a brand new Allis Chalmers 5020 4WD and currently it sits with just a bit less than 1200 hrs on the meter, everything works as it should, tires are good, could use a new seat, body is straight and paint is original.  At the time I didn't have the means to buy the loader and perhaps it was a good thing as many of this model met an early demise if they were so equipped and worked hard, you either broke the tractor in half due to the aluminum bellhousing or busted up the front axle which now parts are so rare they don't exist beings that Hinomoto and Allis are both out if biz.  Been a great tractor never had an issue with it in the 30+ yrs I have owned it.

 

The Tractor does have many feature short comings, no power steering, lack of hydraulic features beyond the 3pth, poor transmission gearing even though it's 12/3 the reverses are either to slow or to fast within the ranges. It's hard to get on and off (getting old I guess), large physical size and large turning radius, no mid mount equipment possibilities.

 

I suppose I could make a few modifications to the machine to bring it closer to modern, like electric power steer, external hydraulics, or is it just time to upgrade?  I cringe the thought of anything new seeing some of the horror stories and then the price of things but I'm not sure I want to put any coin into the current machine.  What to do, what to do??

 

 


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Posted February 01, 2018 - 12:14 PM

Can't you upgrade without going to new???


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Posted February 01, 2018 - 12:40 PM

Can't you upgrade without going to new???

I guess a modification could be considered an upgrade, if that's what your saying.  I suppose jumping up a few years with a used later model machine would also be an upgrade, if that's what your saying.  

 

Unfortunately the used compact market isn't the used GT market, used compacts are almost as much as new.  So I only considered modifying the current machine or buy a new one.  But I suppose I could pursue used.


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Posted February 01, 2018 - 02:10 PM

I wouldn't put a penny in that thing, just unload it.  It was a crime AC ever put their name on that machine.  I almost bought one new many years ago, thank goodness I didn't.

 

I of course don't know about your finances but as you said, getting older & maybe less "mobile" probably means upgrading to a more user friendly machine.  Been there.  Everything is harder with age including running equipment.

 

About 12 years ago, when looking at retirement, I looked for 2 years for a good used CUT/TLB, & finally gave up & bought new, never sorry.  As mentioned, used CUTs bring premium dollars & you never know what your getting.  Sure the payments wear on you but you have a warranty & for 10 years now all I have to do is jump on it & go, except of course for regular maintenance.

 

If you care, it is a JD 2320.

 

Good luck

 

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Posted February 01, 2018 - 02:14 PM

I suppose jumping up a few years with a used later model machine would also be an upgrade, if that's what your saying.  

 

Unfortunately the used compact market isn't the used GT market, used compacts are almost as much as new.  So I only considered modifying the current machine or buy a new one.  But I suppose I could pursue used.

Yeah, number 2 was what I had in mind.


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Posted February 01, 2018 - 04:55 PM

I wouldn't put a penny in that thing, just unload it.  It was a crime AC ever put their name on that machine.  I almost bought one new many years ago, thank goodness I didn't.

 

I of course don't know about your finances but as you said, getting older & maybe less "mobile" probably means upgrading to a more user friendly machine.  Been there.  Everything is harder with age including running equipment.

 

About 12 years ago, when looking at retirement, I looked for 2 years for a good used CUT/TLB, & finally gave up & bought new, never sorry.  As mentioned, used CUTs bring premium dollars & you never know what your getting.  Sure the payments wear on you but you have a warranty & for 10 years now all I have to do is jump on it & go, except of course for regular maintenance.

 

If you care, it is a JD 2320.

 

Good luck

 

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Thanks for your experience. I have no issue unloading the 5020 and buying something modern and more useful.  The 5020 has been great but it's dated big time when it comes to versatility and creature comforts.  My initial thought was to just get a larger GT and run the compact tractor until it died and not replace it, but I tested that thought over a few years now with the WH GT, ATV's and a dedicated JD mower and although the GTs have held there own pretty well I have had tasks crop up that I had to break out the compact to bail out the GTs so I have come to the conclusion that a GT just cant cut it and I need to have something bigger on hand.  I'm pretty realistic about the 5020 and lack of parts and pretty hesitant about bringing it up to a semi modern standard but the cheap side of me is always trying to save a buck.  


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Posted February 01, 2018 - 08:46 PM

Are you looking to have a mid-mount mower if you upgrade?

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Posted February 01, 2018 - 09:29 PM

Are you looking to have a mid-mount mower if you upgrade?

I would go that route and ditch the dedicated lawn tractor.



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Posted February 01, 2018 - 10:41 PM

Then the JD 1 series with the auto connect sounds like just the ticket.

The open operator's station is really nice for getting on and off, too.

Wait. I am telling you or convincing myself?
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Posted February 01, 2018 - 11:22 PM

I've had the opportunity to use a JD and a Kubota sub compact, both were super easy to use, easy on and off, I'm use to the twin pedal setup on the X3 mower so the series1 was an instant "fit", the pedals of the Kubota not as much.  I mounted the loader and hoe to the Kubota without any instructions, used the loader to move some dirt around.

 

I'm not so sold on the quick connect on the JD decks, see a lot of folks have issues, don't know if it's fact or operator issues but I wary.



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Posted February 02, 2018 - 05:36 AM

Auto connect issues are dealer product prep error 75% of the time. If you have a large enough area of flat concrete inside or out, it will work as advertised if set up properly.
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Posted February 02, 2018 - 08:58 AM

Auto connect issues are dealer product prep error 75% of the time. If you have a large enough area of flat concrete inside or out, it will work as advertised if set up properly.

 

No worries then I have concrete surfaces where I would take it on and off.  

 

I have 4 brands within 20 miles,, Yanmar, Kubota, LS, Mahindra, And John Deere is 40 miles.



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Posted March 01, 2018 - 01:27 PM

I like how JD ads have the mower deck just sitting out in the middle of nowhere so you can just drive over the top of it and go...right!

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big JD fan, love my 2305.

 

I say, bite the bullet and go for a new one.

 

I bought mine new in 2006, other than the drive shaft going south,(JD was half at fault so, they paid for half of the repairs), I've been driving it for almost 12 yrs. All I ever do is change the oil once a year, grease it and put diesel in it.

 

If your present tractor is nickel and diming you to death, it's time for an upgrade. 


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Posted March 01, 2018 - 04:41 PM

I like how JD ads have the mower deck just sitting out in the middle of nowhere so you can just drive over the top of it and go...right!

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big JD fan, love my 2305.

 

I say, bite the bullet and go for a new one.

 

I bought mine new in 2006, other than the drive shaft going south,(JD was half at fault so, they paid for half of the repairs), I've been driving it for almost 12 yrs. All I ever do is change the oil once a year, grease it and put diesel in it.

 

If your present tractor is nickel and diming you to death, it's time for an upgrade. 

Well that is the quandary to be quite honest, my current machine isn't costing me a dime and other than a new seat (using a contractor garbage bag to cover it at the moment) needs nothing.  It only has 1148 hrs on it, as some would say barely broken in?  I flip back and forth on what to do since I only use this machine 25 to 30 hrs a year currently.

 

Haven't made a move as of yet, other than decide that JD or Kubota will be the only brands considered,, thought about it and I don't want a replay of the Allis with the builder and marketer going under a few years after purchase and then limited parts support. 

 

I have a neighbor with the 2305 and it's a great machine, also have a neighbor with a bx25 and its also a great machine,,, I've used both for loader projects, the Kubota a bit more but I like the JD hydro setup better than the Kubota, I guess that's because I have an X300R Deere and I'm use to the twin pedals over the Kubota setup.

 

I'm certain a new machine will have a loader, not so sure about a mid mount mower, and I'm still wondering whether a loader mounted blade or dedicated blade would be better?



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Posted March 06, 2018 - 12:49 PM

I have both, the front end loader and a snow blade.

 

The blade's nice for grading or moving snow. It angles side to side and moves up and down. (Only goes up about 12")

 

The loader on the other hand will go up over your head but, you can't push snow at an angle.

On the up side, if you get a lot of snow, you can move it with a loader.


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