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Posted December 31, 2017 - 01:19 AM

I bought a 4 ft box blade to use on my Power King 2414 in my garden.  The box blade has CAT1 pins.  Should I be looking at reducing the box blade pins to CAT 0 or should I look at changing the 3 pt hitch to CAT 1 on the outside.  They seem to make replacement CAT 0 tractor side lower 3 pt hitch bars with a CAT 1 outside so you can connect to CAT 1 implements.  I don't own any CAT 0 implements so should I try to standardize on CAT 1?  Has anybody done this?

 

I guess what I am saying can I just change the 3 pt lower arms so the implement end is CAT1?


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Posted December 31, 2017 - 03:15 AM

On some cat 1!inplements you can put cat 0 pins, facing inward and use them on power kings (and probably others) just fine.
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Posted December 31, 2017 - 08:17 AM

My guess is the 4' box blade is "limited cat 1" which means cat 1 pins on a cat 0 sized implement (it's what seems to be used on subcompact tractors).  Likely don't need to face the pins in.

 

A challenge I think you might have using cat 1 lift arms is they tend to be longer which will make the front of the tractor lighter when you lift the blade.

 

Agri Supply sells a cat 0 lift pin with a 7/8 thread to adapt cat 1 equipment.  I'd be tempted to go that route and a short cat 1 top link with an adapter bushing (Tractor Supply) on the tractor end.

 

Cat 1-Cat 0 lift pin

Cat 1-Cat 0 top link bushing


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Posted December 31, 2017 - 08:48 AM

My guess is the 4' box blade is "limited cat 1" which means cat 1 pins on a cat 0 sized implement (it's what seems to be used on subcompact tractors).  Likely don't need to face the pins in.

 

A challenge I think you might have using cat 1 lift arms is they tend to be longer which will make the front of the tractor lighter when you lift the blade.

 

Agri Supply sells a cat 0 lift pin with a 7/8 thread to adapt cat 1 equipment.  I'd be tempted to go that route and a short cat 1 top link with an adapter bushing (Tractor Supply) on the tractor end.

 

Cat 1-Cat 0 lift pin

Cat 1-Cat 0 top link bushing

I would say this would be the cheaper and easiest way of doing it

More money for more Cat 0 attachments


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Posted December 31, 2017 - 10:26 AM

Seems like a good solution. How wide is the frame where the lift arms attach? Cat-0 is 20", but usually a bit smaller so you can get the arms over the pins!


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Posted December 31, 2017 - 11:09 AM

I use a cat 1 5' blade on the back of my white.  Changed the pins and turned them to the inside.  Blade was used on a 8N ford prior to be getting it.


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Posted December 31, 2017 - 01:07 PM

I just measured my box blade and it is 25.5 inches. The model is a John Deere BB2048L.  I will try getting some pins.  



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Posted December 31, 2017 - 01:09 PM

I think TSC may have the Cat-1 to Cat-0 pins.



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Posted December 31, 2017 - 03:55 PM

I think TSC may have the Cat-1 to Cat-0 pins.

I could not find the CAT 1 to CAT 0 pins at Tractor Supply.  So I just ordered from the link above from Agri Direct which MiCarl posted.  I also ordered the long top link I need for the Power King 2414 so it would be all in one shipping cost.


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Posted December 31, 2017 - 08:35 PM

I wonder if a quick disconnect CAT 1 hitch could be modified to CAT 0 on the Power King side so I could use CAT 1 implements on my Power King 2414 tractor?



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Posted January 01, 2018 - 01:20 PM

Probably.  The greatest problem would be the weight of the quick disconnect and implement.  I run an aerator behind my 2414.  Normally I add 4 X 70 lb weights or about 280 lbs and the 3-pt works fine.  I added 6 X 70 lb weights once and the hydraulics were not happy.  I quickly removed two weights.  I don't know what the weight limits are for the standard hydraulics and 3-pt.

 

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Posted January 23, 2018 - 12:26 AM

I used my box blade as described above for the first time today.  I does work on my PK 2414 tractor using CAT 0 pins which John Deere sells for their box blade which I bought.  The front is a little light so I probably could use wheel weights on the front.  I smoothed out one side of my garden.  I realized it is going to take me a while to learn how to use the box blade.  It seems to be harder than I thought. 

 

I think this box blade is going to be a full load for my PK 2414 tractor.  


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Posted January 23, 2018 - 07:20 AM

  I realized it is going to take me a while to learn how to use the box blade.  It seems to be harder than I thought.

 

As I pointed out in your other topic about what to buy they're difficult to level with because they are outside the wheel base.  If you're like me you'll eventually develop the motor skills to do a half way decent job.

 

You want to plan your attack so the tractor pitches up and down as little as possible.  Try and drag across the top of ridges rather than hitting them perpendicular.


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Posted January 23, 2018 - 02:37 PM

 

You want to plan your attack so the tractor pitches up and down as little as possible.  Try and drag across the top of ridges rather than hitting them perpendicular.

 

You last statement is what worked best for me not knowing what I was doing.  I will try to perfect it.  When I started I was just dragging along and it seemed to make it worst.  I sure spent a lot time in a small area. I had to try to push my mistakes back down.  If I could only become more fluid on hydraulic controls. It would help also.  I guess it comes with practice.


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Posted January 23, 2018 - 04:54 PM

MiCarl is right. It takes a bit to  make these work like you want. You can also shorten/lengthen the top link to adjust how much it cuts. Shorter makes it cut more.. Another thing I do is figure how much I am going to 'cut'. I'll adjust the lower links of the 3-point so that all the way down is to that length (compared to the pins on the BB) before I hook the blade up. If more cut is needed later, adjust them down some.


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