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#1 Vrdaddy OFFLINE  

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Posted December 28, 2017 - 09:58 AM

Hey all, Question about dating a Continental engine, I'm guessing it's around 1940's? The piece of equipment the engine is on has roughly no way of getting a mfg. date code from it. The engine is a model AU7R I started to clean up the engine the other week and found the number 39 on top of the engine (almost looks like it's painted on). Then after removing the flywheel cover and the flywheel to my surprise ,I was amazed at the condition of the back plate for the points ,condenser ,and coil. The patent date on the plate and flywheel both say 1938,can you go by that for the mfg.date? Any information is greatly appreciated,I posted a similar post on the "Mechanical & Hydraulics forum" just thought I'd try here to see if anyone might know, thanks.

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Posted December 28, 2017 - 01:00 PM

pretty weird how 1939 (I think that what it says)  is panted on the engine especially how it is put on there. where did you find this engine at?


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Posted December 28, 2017 - 02:04 PM

Don't know of this brand in small engines. Is this same company that did the big auto and tractor engines then?


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Posted December 28, 2017 - 02:32 PM

Very hard to date without an actual Engine manufacturers model number. I'm going to guess late 40s to early 50s?  Alot of equipment manufacturers would use there own Model and Spec numbers. Sears was good at that. Also the Military engines had there own numbers as well as others.

 

You need the actual date and spec code example AU7 127.101A spec 561 is DB prior to 1952 with the Points and Mag located under the flywheel. Your mag seems to be Wico FW2158.

 

Page 10 in this manual.

http://gardentractor...cs-manual-1952/

 

Found a parts breakdown that lists that Mag as being produced between 1950-55.

 

http://www.oldcroak....s-circa-1955-1/

 

The R in AU7R indicates gear reduction.

It might be easier to ID the machine it came off of and date it by that.Did you find any tags on the

 

 

Don't grab the spark plug wire to test for spark. Those old Wico Magneto are a "HOT" double wound coil. They will knock you on your butt.

 

Here check this thread out. Alot of good info on the DB Continentals.

http://gardentractor...nental-engines/

 

And this manual shows parts and numbers for everything but the air vain governor and linkages.

http://gardentractor...cooled-engines/


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Posted December 28, 2017 - 07:47 PM

Thanks to all the replies, I'll do my best to answer the questions. First of questions, the piece of equipment that the engine is from is a "Sam Beachy & Sons Endless Tread Garden Tractor" from the picture posted beside my group info. Plus I have a post "DEEP" in the "walk behind tractor" forum. Inever heard of a Continental engine till I bought this piece of equipment. I don't know about Continental in the auto industry,but I do know they are the same as the aircraft industry engines or the heavy industrial engines so I would guess they may be related to auto industry. I can't say for sure, I'm learning about these little guys as I go. The model again is AU7R The spec.number is A 350 the S/N is 408325 I thank all of you for your response.

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Posted December 28, 2017 - 08:23 PM

Thanks to "tractorholic" ,lots of good helpful information you posted. I can use this quite a bit. See your from Bedford,pa. I'm a couple stone throws away from you. I'm from Franklin county, Pa.

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Posted December 28, 2017 - 09:06 PM

Samuel Beachy of Salisbury PA designed this garden tractor in 1942. In the 1950's, along with his sons Menno and Alvin, they started manufacturing this unique machine.

 

The first Endless Tread Garden Tractor was built in 1942 and has been donated to the Springs Museum. Sam’s new design included a floating drive track instead of a wheel, which worked like a charm, and a patent was obtained. Sam Jr. commented, “The basic tractor has not changed, to a large extent, for quite a few years and has proven to be a tough little garden tractor — almost indestructible.”

 

In 1950, Sam started his own lawn and garden equipment sales and repair business — Sam Beachy & Sons — adjacent to his home, where the business still operates to this day. The ownership passed to sons Menno and Alvin, then to present-day owner Willis Sommers.

 

 

Designed in 1942 but production started in 1950. 2 Earlier Pre-Production models were called "ENDLESS TREAD GARDEN TRACTOR" and "S. A. BEACHY ENDLESS TREAD GARDEN TRACTOR"

 

They were originally designed to be used with the old Maytag engines on them.

 

I found the original patent that was filed in 1945 and again in 1950 with the newly designed track.

Here check this out. Really really cool info.

https://www.google.c...tents/US2529369

 

PDF document available below if you want to download it.

 

https://docs.google....s/US2529369.pdf


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Posted December 28, 2017 - 09:31 PM

With the info above and Wico mag I would date it somewhere between 1950-55.

 

I'm usually pretty good at finding an exact date but I'm having no luck beyond what I found.

 

You could try writing them or call?

 

Sam Beachy & Sons 381 Niverton Rd, Salisbury, PA 15558 (814) 662-2220

 

That's 1 hour 20 minutes from me according to google maps. But I can tell you that's more like 2 hours 20 minutes of really really bad roads from me lol. I have relatives that live just north of there in Meyersdale Pa. Lots of strip mining and big heavy trucks on narrow winding roads.

 

Got the number out of a 2016 Somerset/Meyersdale phone book in the Yellow Pages so it should be a current number.

 

Yep number is still good.

https://www.whitepag...-sons/b-1840p9c


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Posted December 29, 2017 - 06:35 AM

Thanks again for all of your time and help, there's a lot of good information you provided. Believe it or not,I did manage to find and contact the current owner of the business,nice guy , not much of a talker, I was looking for any kind of spare parts that they might have ,the fella said that he didn't. I was mainly looking for the rubber cleats for the track,as soon as I said that ,he wanted to know what was the color of the tractor, I told him original color is blue, he said "boy that's an old one there", but he said no record was kept on manufacture dates. They still make a couple of these machines a year, here's a couple pictures of the old thing,I got it tore down now, just waiting for it to get warm again to start working on it again.

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Posted January 26, 2018 - 12:37 PM

You have a 1 generation model.  If you give me your serial number I can tell you the date it was made.  I also have NOS parts for all models.  I'm located in Meyersdale, PA.


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Posted January 27, 2018 - 06:40 PM

The information on the serial number tag of the endless tread is :
S/N 714
Pat. Number 2529369

The Continental engine serial number tag says:
Model: AU7R
Spec. No.:A 350
S/N:408325
Thank you for the response.

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Posted January 27, 2018 - 06:50 PM

Your crawler was build at the end of 1953 and your continental engine serial number should be au7b345399. I left you a private message with my phone number please give me a call if you have any other questions or needing parts
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