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#1 propane1 ONLINE  

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Posted October 25, 2017 - 02:11 PM

First the hydraulic. Working on a Ford 1220 compact tractor with a loader. The valve that’s used to raise and lower the loader, when the lever is pulled to raise loader it raises, when lever is pushed to lower the loader the loader goes up, then as you keep pushing the loader then goes down, but slower than up. Why does it go up while pushing in the lowering position.

Transmission question. Same tractor as above. This tractor has 3 ranges and 3 forward and 1 reverse transmission gears. When in the mid range, it pops out. Lo/mid/high range. Only does this in mid range. None of the transmission gears do this. Why would the mid range pop out. Any adjustment.

Noel.

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Posted October 25, 2017 - 05:13 PM

I think the hydraulic problem is the "O" rings in the spool valve leaking/missing/damaged.

Can't advise on the transmission, but sounds like the Low/Med/High lever, not the regular 1-2-3-R parts!


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Posted October 25, 2017 - 06:01 PM

You have down pressure on the drop lever?  I'm wondering if the position to drop it is really just you going too far and getting into a float position? Why it goes up before that, no clue. Sounds like this whole tractor needs good cleaning of systems and adjustments, sure never been done since new. This is one of those Jap Deisels correct?  Time to get out or buy some manuals, including OPERATOR'S manual to study. Read up! :smilewink:


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Posted October 25, 2017 - 06:47 PM

So this loader used to operate normally, and suddenly started doing this weird stuff?  As far as mid range popping out, there isn't likely any adjustment.  Either the detent is worn or has a broken spring behind it, the fork might be tweaked, or the gear engagement dogs are worn.  I'd bet the detent spring is broken or collapsed.  I have no idea as to how involved it is to get at it.  Lots of lawn tractors have easily accessible detent assemblies.  This one may be deeper inside.


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Posted October 25, 2017 - 07:42 PM

Yes loader worked normal. Not my tractor, so I don’t know if it was a sudden change or slowly happened.
Thanks olcowhand, for the ideas on the mid range gear popping out. From what I can see, it would be a major job to get to that mid range gearing to see what’s going on. Not something I want to do.

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Posted October 26, 2017 - 07:15 AM

First the hydraulic issue; take the lever assembly for lift circuit off and also the back cover to this same spool. Check to be sure everything is tight and that there are no broken springs. If all looks good check to see that the spool is not actually broken in half by pulling on the back side. If it is broken then you need a new valve body. No fixing it available. Only orings on a hydraulic valve are at the ends nothing internal at the different passages.
Transmission; do you feel a distinct detent at each of the 3 positions? If so you will need to get inside the gearbox and check the gears and fork and possibly countershaft bearings..

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Posted October 26, 2017 - 11:51 AM

Thanks Keith.  Yes, detentes are there. And thanks for hydraulic information. 

 

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Posted October 26, 2017 - 12:40 PM

Thanks Keith.  Yes, detentes are there. And thanks for hydraulic information. 

 

Noel

 If the detents are there and feel like they lock in good, then I'd say the dogs are worn on the side of the gears.  Once they wear and form a slight angle, the load will cause them to push away from each other, overpowering the detent.  I have taken the gears out (lawn/garden tractors, motorcycles, and ATV's) and carefully use a cutter wheel on an air die grinder, and flatten out the dogs.  Always had great service afterwards, and held in gear strong.


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Posted October 26, 2017 - 02:32 PM

I also found bad news when I drain the fluid and removed the filter. This could also be causing the loader trouble too. Pieces in fluid is never good. Looks like gear pieces.

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Posted October 26, 2017 - 03:12 PM

Well, we know it's trans repair time now!


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Posted October 27, 2017 - 05:07 AM

Nothin' like findin' munchins and crunchins in the tranny oil... DOH! You will need to split it in half...when you do make sure you check the pto gears as well. Those Shibaura tractors have issues.
My father loves em I hate'em.. he wrecks them and I have to fix them...I would check the clutch while you have it apart. They are peuny things and go to heck faster than normal..
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Posted October 27, 2017 - 08:24 AM

So, Keith, it cant be fixed from the top, it has to be split to get the shafts out to replace the gear ? 

 

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Posted October 27, 2017 - 12:40 PM

Yup only a few things a repairable from the top.. gears are not one unfortunately. But tou can take a look and see what went wrong at least..
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Posted October 27, 2017 - 03:01 PM

Thanks Keith.

Noel




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