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#1 Alberta Bolens OFFLINE  

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Posted August 13, 2017 - 03:20 PM

I have been looking for a tractor with blade or bucket to do some landscaping stump removal.  The garden tractors just are not big enough.  

 

Found and old bull dozer.    At around 6,000 lbs with 9 ft blade its not garden tractor size.  If the plate on it is accurate its an old Amercian Tractor Equipment Corp crawler, Case bought them out in mid 60's.  However I can not seem to find model # when I search.  It has been repowered with a inline 6 ford motor, rad and grill from a versatile swather. Has set of hydralics at the back as well as PTO. I guess the gentleman who did the repower passed away before he had all the kinks worked out of it and it has sat for 4 or 5 years.   It may turn out to be a oversized paper weight, I will find out when I get it home next week.  

 

!st challenge is getting it home.  I need to find  heavey enough trailer wide enough to get this beast onto.  C frame for blade is about 8 1/2 ft.  

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Posted August 13, 2017 - 03:59 PM

This sounds like a good thread to follow!


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Posted August 13, 2017 - 05:38 PM

The GMC truck sitting next to it looks real interesting to me. Good luck with the dozer, looks like a real project.


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Posted August 13, 2017 - 05:51 PM

That is super cool. First, that looks like a 6 (or more) ton machine not 3 tons. Second, those track pads look brand new(big bucks). Are the chains in new condition too? Third, find a way to lift and hold the blade up. Dragging a blade can be a big pain. A couple of comealongs along the hydraulic cylinders may be able to pick it up. Fourth, when you get it home cover it and find the manuals for it.

When you get it running and learn to use it, you will have alot of fun. After you have completed a couple of projects with it, you will wonder how you lived without it. Good Luck, Rick

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Posted August 13, 2017 - 05:57 PM

Looks like a lot of fun and will be fun to follow!  I want a dozer but I want one even smaller.

 

Oh, when will you start a thread on "How to relieve back pain from lifting heavy steel"?! :D


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Posted August 13, 2017 - 06:39 PM

The GMC truck sitting next to it looks real interesting to me. Good luck with the dozer, looks like a real project.

He started the GMC. 6 cyl runs like a top hoist works.  Sweet old truck.


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Posted August 13, 2017 - 06:45 PM

That is super cool. First, that looks like a 6 (or more) ton machine not 3 tons. Second, those track pads look brand new(big bucks). Are the chains in new condition too? Third, find a way to lift and hold the blade up. Dragging a blade can be a big pain. A couple of comealongs along the hydraulic cylinders may be able to pick it up. Fourth, when you get it home cover it and find the manuals for it.

When you get it running and learn to use it, you will have alot of fun. After you have completed a couple of projects with it, you will wonder how you lived without it. Good Luck, Rick

Yes the pads tacks, chains, rollers and rails are in great condition.  He says he can move it around with his skid steer pretty easy.  There is lot of steel there you could be right at + 10,000 lbs.  I think a D2 cat with blade is around 10,000 and this looks to be as big or bigger.  Never thought of come alongs on the cylinders.  


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Posted August 13, 2017 - 07:39 PM

Instead of possibly tearing up come-alongs, have the guy lift the blade with his skid steer, then chain each side at the cylinders.  That's a heck of a weight/leverage to overcome with come-alongs.  I'd guess the unit to weigh at least 8 grand.


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Posted August 20, 2017 - 09:50 PM

I went and got the dozer today.  Very nice day for a drive it took 2 hours to get there this morning. He loaded it in about an hour and we were on our way back.  Removing the blade when I got home was easier than i would have figured.  It made putting the machine into the garage much easier.  9' blade and 9' door wasn't going to work to well.  I managed to push the crawler into the garage using the reciever hitch on the truck.  It fits into the garage nicely even under my small gantry.

 

It ended up loaded a little further forward than ideal, it handled fine with no problem.  Unloading was a plan A then B then C kind of operation.  We succeeded and nothing got damaged or anyone hurt so it was a good day.  10 hours from time we left home to unload and put things away.

 

Just looking at it moving it around today.  The tracks and under carriage is on great shape.  The repower of the ford swather motor doesn't look to bad and I see there are plates and pannels that I can remove to see and have access to what the previous owner did.  Looks like it will take some time tinkering and finishing a few things but I don't think to bad over all.  I would guess there will be a few huge surprises to be found.

 

 

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Posted August 20, 2017 - 09:58 PM

Here's to hoping all surprises are minor.
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Posted August 22, 2017 - 10:42 PM

I am not sure what this thing is.  There is a plate on the hydralic tank, Amercian Tractor Equipment Corp or ATEC.  There is also a tool box on the other fender with a David Brown tag on it.  I can't find anything on the crawler itself.  It is repowerd with a inline 6 ford. So no number on the engine to help.  The original hood and rad are gone.  Hoping once I get looking at the gear boxes I find some marks.

 

I had to find a coil for it, Trace the wiring to get it mounted and installed.  It turns over but backfired.  Then I discovered the firing order was wrong.  Then I found that the rotor was not linning up to #1.  So it was back to basic engine 101.  There is no fuel tank and the elec fuel pump doesn't seem to work.  Figured out the plug wires, some gas in the carb and it does fire.  YEAH.

 

The wiring is kind of a mess but it does work.  That can be cleaned up later.

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Posted August 22, 2017 - 11:28 PM

Likely David Brown . A lot of dozer makers stamped the track links if not changed.


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Posted August 23, 2017 - 01:06 AM

Your fender and tool box does appear similar to this one as do the steering levers.

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Posted August 23, 2017 - 10:52 PM

So I was looking on line at David Brown crawlers and I think Cevans is correct.  I think this is a David Brown.  I found a casting # on the drive sprocket that has DB in front of the #.  The tag on the told box suggests it was a 6 cylinder diesel.  Engine # AD6.  Tractor serial is TAD/6/56/10569.  Looking at the photo above The seat frame, the fender tool box and handles as well as the shield over the spring tesnion on the tracks looks like what I have.  Not sure if I am correct but I think built in 1956

 

Working on it tonight I got the elec fuel pump running, The engine started and ran.  Run kind of rough but the engine sounds ok considering its been several years sitting outside since it last ran.  Now that i have heard the engine run, I can make a plan on getting it into operating shape.  As it has been modified with a ford motor I have no intention of making it pretty.  I do want to get it working and do some projects. I believe it worth spending some time and little (hoping little) money on it.  

 

Is anyone know of good forum on crawler?  Thinking I might need all the help I can get on this.

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Posted August 24, 2017 - 11:32 PM

More discoveries tonight.  I pulled the leaky rad.  I was looking on line today to try figure out what model of swather the rad is from and I see an add. Farmer has rad from versitile swather sitting in his shed.  Bought it for his swather and never used it wants $60  Certianly looks correct it worth the trip to check it out.  It within 30 minutes of my work.  What are the odds.  

 

Once the rad was out I could see better how the engine is mounted into the tractor.  It is basically sitting inside the bottom end and oil pan of the original diesel, which makes up part of the frame of the tractor.  It looks to me like the engine is sitting high at the front.  When I look at the back of the engine and the face of the bell housing on the tractor there is about 1/2 difference from the top of the engine to the bottom.  Look like I need to remove the engine grind or torch a few edges so the gas engine sits better.  If I don't do this I will have problems later blown clutch or bad bearings in transmission.  

 

1 photo showing gap between engine and bell housing
2 looking down onto clutch and idler shaft of trans.  Yes oil needs to be changed in gear boxes.  
3 front veiw of engine sitting inside old engine

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