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#1 TomLGT195 OFFLINE  

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Posted August 05, 2017 - 10:59 AM

Details;    Ford 195 with a loader. In reverse tractor surges and puts a load on engine. this happens on level ground without any extra load on it. Barely wants to move( 7/8 throttle). Put the bucket down to back blade and it takes everything to move it. A lot of vibrating and shaking under/in tractor. Go forward no problem, even when pushing a load of dirt( no surging or vibrating). When backing up i did notice the shifter lever moving back and forth as the tractor surges. I checked the fluid and was only 1/2 pint low, which I added before I tested. No change.  The rear does not appear to be disconnected from the frame but it started raining so I didn't investigate further . No parking brake issues either!

 

Things I should be looking for??

 

Linkage issues? 

 

Hydro unit burnt out?

 

Dirty fluid and valve /passageway blocked? Fluid change?   Fluid has less than 200 hours and didn't appear too black. Tractor leaks thats why it was low.   

 

Something broke? Mount related

 

Could it be the rear and not the hydro?

 

Any and all suggestions would be appreciated.

 


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Posted August 05, 2017 - 11:18 AM

Linkage would top my list. The next would be if the brakes were hanging up. Some brakes(especially drums) work better in one direction than the other. They may slip in forward but then drag bad in reverse. Is there a filter?Otherwise, Find the manual and test the pressures. Don't jump to any conclusions until you have done all of the troubleshooting. Good Luk, Rick

 

Wasn't there a thread about overhauling an LGT195 trany several years ago?

 

BTW the rain prevented me from going to the RockBusters' Show today. Maybe I can go tomorrow.


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Posted August 05, 2017 - 12:35 PM

I was close to having that type of problem & this shows what I did to fix transmission linkage problems.

 

http://gardentractor...gt-145-repairs/

 

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Posted August 05, 2017 - 03:39 PM

Tom,
I'd check drive shaft, brakes, axel shafts and key ways.

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Posted August 05, 2017 - 07:22 PM

 Thanks for the places / things to look for first.

Supposed to be nice on Sunday , firs thing on my list is to remove the plastic panel on the tunnel of the fender pan and see what things look like. If that doesn't show anything , the rear fender assembly is coming off. Stay tuned.


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Posted August 05, 2017 - 09:06 PM

Good luck with it Tom, definitely a tractor worth fixing.  I hope it's something simple.   There is also a troubleshooting guide in the service manual on page 188.  The manual is available in the download section.  Some of the conditions are like what you are describing.  


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Posted August 06, 2017 - 10:29 AM

Well,,,,,,,,,  had to take the entire fender pan off. :wallbanging:  Couldn't see anything through the tiny access hole, waaay smaller than its little brothers..  Possibly found the culprit, the rearend bolts to the frame on one side are all loose. causing the rear to roll and twist. Never touched those before, might be time to go over entire tractor and see what else is loose.

Also think I'm going to redo the drive shaft while I'm here. A little wobble, I made a custom shaft due to the add on of the loader pulley. I don't want to risk ruining a bearing on the hydro. This time i will go buy a single length of tool steel and add the flanges to that.  

 

Of course now that it's apart I might as well throw some paint on it to match the seat! 

 

 

Keep you posted, off for family time.


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Posted August 06, 2017 - 11:47 AM

McMaster-Carr has shafting. Hope that's all it was. I have an extra Eaton 11 here, but that's a long way to ship.


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Posted August 06, 2017 - 12:48 PM

While you have this far apart check the wear on the foot pedal linkage. That is where I found a lot of wear on the end of the shaft. I know it is recommended to lubricate this but how do you get to it with out taking the tractor apart. That is what I changed to a ball joint. I found it at McMaster-Carr.

 

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Posted August 07, 2017 - 03:32 AM

McMaster-Carr has shafting. Hope that's all it was. I have an extra Eaton 11 here, but that's a long way to ship.

I forgot all about them, thanks.  I have an extra hydro/ rear unit here for a spare but thanks.


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Posted August 07, 2017 - 03:35 AM

Found a major issue. the top mounts were very loose and broken from the frame.  

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Fix these , check the linkages and make a new driveshaft. Hope fully it'll be good to go. I wonder if jamming the driveshaft up in reverse bent it some? 


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Posted August 07, 2017 - 04:32 AM

The bend was probably from the loose bolts letting the rear end torque under power!



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Posted August 07, 2017 - 05:07 AM

Common issue but I fear that it is not the true problem... these things are way too simple to chatter from being loose.
It probably has a broken pin/cam ring boss internally. This controls the pumps ability to change direction and speed. When this goes bad its game over for that pump unit unless it is just the pin that broke. This can be replaced.

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Posted August 07, 2017 - 03:49 PM

The bend was probably from the loose bolts letting the rear end torque under power!

I think so too.



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Posted August 07, 2017 - 03:49 PM

Common issue but I fear that it is not the true problem... these things are way too simple to chatter from being loose.
It probably has a broken pin/cam ring boss internally. This controls the pumps ability to change direction and speed. When this goes bad its game over for that pump unit unless it is just the pin that broke. This can be replaced.

I have a spare if this is the problem. Let's hope not. 


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