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#1 glgrumpy OFFLINE  

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Posted June 27, 2017 - 06:52 AM

Kohler Courage engines. What's the deal with this line?  I'm looking at a Husqvarna  with a 21hp Courage in it. Broken rear axle. Was really looking for little bigger engine for mine, but gonna take a look at least. I'm hearing not so good on Courage line, so what is this exactly and what are problems?  Are they foreign built?  Are they aluminum and not have cast bores like many others have? Looked on epay and many of these, even in bigger sizes are $5 to 600, even for new, and same engine in Command or close is $12 to 1500. Quite a price spread. So, what are the problems with them?



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Posted June 27, 2017 - 07:21 AM

I have a 19hp single cyl courage. Ive ran the poo out of it even with a cracked block, lol.

What happens on the single cyl ones is the crankcase cover bolts on the top, it ratttles loose and cracks the block.

To my knowledge, the V Twin ones are decent engines.

I got a command that id sell cheap :)

Edited by DZG, June 27, 2017 - 07:22 AM.


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Posted June 27, 2017 - 08:09 AM

I do believe my mothers mower has one... smokes like a freight train, oil leaks onto the muffler from who knows where.

Other than that it's decent

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Posted June 27, 2017 - 08:36 AM

Mine is strange, I have an older Simplicity design that was sold to Craftsman and built by MTD, it says Courage on the mower, but says command on the engine, 400 hours and fine so far. But it may not be a Courage. It's a single 20 h.p.

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Posted June 27, 2017 - 09:19 AM

I see a lot of mowers on CL with blown Courage engines.  I've heard nothing good about them.  I affectionately call them the "Carnage" line!  I have heard the twins are a little better, but no where near the quality of a Command.  I've never owned a Courage, so I don't know first hand.  I think the CL ads with blown Courage engines convince me to stay away from them.



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Posted June 27, 2017 - 11:13 AM

It takes courage to own one. To buy one used is a different attribute.

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Posted June 27, 2017 - 11:16 AM

I always figure no guts, no glory!


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Posted June 27, 2017 - 11:31 AM

Kohler Courage     

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Kohler Command

Briggs Vanguard     zz.jpg

 


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Posted June 27, 2017 - 12:22 PM

I'm looking at a Husqvarna  with a 21hp Courage in it. Broken rear axle.

 

I know a landscape guy with a courage twin about that size in his box store toro ztr.  Has around 1000 hours on it, he likes it so far.  pushes it hard mowing accounts with hills, wet grass, etc.

 

Wondering how the husky broke the axle?  is it a GT size or a smaller one?  i've seen newer huskys, gt size cut a lot of grass for the town and private owners both



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Posted June 27, 2017 - 01:19 PM

Thinking this is a single, suprised they had that big now days.  Going to look at now. Far as axles, seems I always see them broken, not sure what that means. This is in a lighter LT, but hood and steering and lots look same as my GT. Wheels smaller, probly axle was too. Going to look today, guy says he can start it.


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Posted June 27, 2017 - 01:28 PM

if its free its good. If you get it check the top plate bolts and replace the valve cover gasket



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Posted June 27, 2017 - 02:08 PM

Kohler Courage     
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Kohler Command
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The earlier Intek engines weren't bad, the new stuff is garbage.

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Posted June 27, 2017 - 03:56 PM

If the block is cracked, it can be fixed quite well with JB weld. Check around both sides of the valve cover as cracks are most likey to show up in these areas.

Ruff up the cracked areas with a dremel, or die grinder, and clean area of all crud. Don't be afraid to put a good amount of JB on there.

New top plate gasket, I just did one, it was 3 bux and change.

Lastly, use loctite on the case cover bolts. Easy peasy!

Edited by stiemmy, June 27, 2017 - 03:57 PM.


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Posted June 27, 2017 - 06:55 PM

The single cylinder Courge is absolute rubbish, the V twin is a touch better but not much.  The singles have issues with the valve cover leaking oil onto the muffler.  There is an upgraded valve cover and cork gasket set you can get.  The new valve cover has siffener plates added.  Think of the way the old small block 350 valve covers would leak if you tightened the bolts to much.  The Courage is that way but worse.  Even tightened with a torque wrench they would leak after a few heat cycles.  The replacement cover is much better.  But its putting lip stick on the pig engine.   Most people junk the machine when the engine or transaxle dies unless under warrenty.  Typical throw away junk.  If you can find a rear end cheap, run it till it drops or flip it for $$ if you can.   



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Posted June 27, 2017 - 07:17 PM

I'm certified with both Kohler and Briggs. Have seen a lot of both. CRFarnsworth said it best.




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