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#16 Mark 149 J. OFFLINE  

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Posted July 15, 2017 - 09:34 PM

The barbed fitting came in last night so my son and I went out to the shop and went to work.  We finished installing the carb and new barb fitting and hose.  It all fit nicely together.

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After the carb we started to clean up some of the wiring connection to see if we could get the engine to turn over.  I energized the start directly with a battery charger and removed the belt.  It turned over smoothly without any bearing noise so that checked out ok.  I bypassed the amp meter because the needle is missing so it's toast.  I cleaned up the connection on the starter relay.  I turned the key and the starter hummed (at least the electrical problem is fixed) but didn't turn the motor.  I decided to try and turn the motor by hand but I couldn't move it.  I got out my big channel locks and finally broke the engine loose.  I think the rings had rusted a little bit to the cylinder wall which is why the started only hummed and didn't turn the motor.  I turned the key again and the engine finally turned over but the dipstick pushed up and I had air pushing out of the muffler.  I didn't notice much sucking from the carb.  I think the exhaust valve is stuck open making the engine spin very freely.  

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Did you see the gremlin on the side of the motor? :wave:

It started to get hot in the shop at 96 degrees and my son is getting over an ear infection so we called it a day for now.


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Posted July 16, 2017 - 12:00 AM

Had a little bit more time tonight once it cooled down so I removed the gas tank, cooling tin from the head, and head bolts to reveal an exhaust valve that was stuck in the open position.

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Sprayed some PB done the valve stem and worked it back and forth until it moved freely.  I took a wire brush and a scraper and removed the built up carbon.  I noticed 0.020 stamped into the top of the piston so I assume that this engine has been rebuilt at least once.  

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I checked the head and block for any signs of leaking but didn't notice anything.  We still need to clean and flatten the head and install a new head gasket before putting it all back together.  Should have it running sometime next week.


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Posted July 16, 2017 - 07:30 PM

My son and I did some more work while we waited for some parts to show up.  We started by removing the exhaust valve.  I had checked last night to see if the valve was seating against the seat by spraying carb cleaner and it leaked.  Here it what it looked like once we removed it.

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You can see the rust stalactite growing out of side of the exhaust port.  

We cleaned up the valve margin and stem and lapped the valve against the seat.  after 10 min. we checked again with carb cleaner and this time no leak.  Reinstalled the spring retainers (which fought me for about 30 min..  Finally got that together and we started working on the head.. We took a piece of glass with wet sand paper and added water.  I showed my son how to move the head so he didn't rip the paper.  He was excited to do this for about 5 min. and then I took over.  after 20 min. we  finally got the head flat.  We should be ready to start it on Tuesday when the parts arrive.

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Posted July 17, 2017 - 06:57 AM

Looks like it's coming along nicely, tell your boy we said to keep up the good work.
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Posted July 17, 2017 - 07:28 AM

She sure was a crusty little crab, wasn't she Mark? Coming along nice........looking forward to the fire up! :thumbs:


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Posted July 17, 2017 - 09:54 AM

Looks like it's coming along nicely, tell your boy we said to keep up the good work.

I just did.  He says thanks and he will!



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Posted July 17, 2017 - 10:05 AM

She sure was a crusty little crab, wasn't she Mark? Coming along nice........looking forward to the fire up! :thumbs:

Thankfully only on the exhaust side of things.  The intake side was nice and clean.  The PO said he had the tractor for about ten years and never did anything with it and the PO before him also had it sitting for several years.  It could have been sitting idle for 15 to 20 years!  Hopefully we will change that very soon!  My son thinks it will pop a wheelie when he gets to drive it!   He also want to have a race against my 1811!  It's good to have dreams! 


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Posted July 22, 2017 - 01:28 AM

Got back from a 3 day camping trip in the Cascade Mountains today.  The first thing my son said was "Dad all the parts are here!"  After dinner we went out to the shop and got to work.  Everything was preped so all we had to do is start installing the parts.  Started with the head.  Installed a new Kohler head gasket and my son torqued it down to 30 ft/#.  He worked pretty hard to get them all torqued.

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Put all of the shielding back in place and hooked up the carb, adjusted the governor, drained some oil because PO had overfiled the engine.

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Made sure everything was in place and cranked her over and she fired for a couple of strokes and then died.  Made some adjustments and she fired up and ran on her own!  She smoked for a while and red hot sparks came out of the muffler (probably from some animals making a nest.  That eventually stopped).

My son was very happy that it ran!

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We move the hydro lever forward but it didn't move until it was fully forward.  Moved it to reverse and nothing!  We will have to figure that out for another day.  

 

Here are some picture of our camping trip.

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These pictures were taken at the top of Chinook pass.  There a small meadow, alpine lake, and left over snow from the winter.

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Mt. Rainer is in this last picture but it's covered with clouds.

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Posted July 22, 2017 - 05:17 AM

Don't forget to retorque the head after it has been run awhile.  He has a nice smile on his face.


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Posted July 22, 2017 - 07:24 AM

You need to retorque the head now that it's been hot once. The tractor not moving is likely a plugged filter, I recommend pulling the cover off the rear to clean it out good since they're usually full of gunk. The wix part number for the filter is 51410 and the Napa gold number is fil1410, the Napa filter is made by wix. These filters are hydraulic filters and designed to work in this application, some parts store will cross over to an oil filter but using an oil filter will cause issues.
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Posted July 22, 2017 - 09:45 AM

Don't forget to retorque the head after it has been run awhile.  He has a nice smile on his face.

I will do that today!  Wait till he starts to drive it!  He will have a grin from ear to ear!

 

You need to retorque the head now that it's been hot once. The tractor not moving is likely a plugged filter, I recommend pulling the cover off the rear to clean it out good since they're usually full of gunk. The wix part number for the filter is 51410 and the Napa gold number is fil1410, the Napa filter is made by wix. These filters are hydraulic filters and designed to work in this application, some parts store will cross over to an oil filter but using an oil filter will cause issues.

Thanks for the Wix and Napa part number!  

That last time I serviced my 149 I used a gasket to reseal the differential cover.  Do you think I need to get another gasket or just reseal the cover with a good sealant? 



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Posted July 22, 2017 - 11:49 AM

I just use permatex ultra black to seal my covers and I've never had a leak, just make sure the mating surfaces are clean and free from oil.

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Posted July 25, 2017 - 09:05 PM

I had to move the 123 from one bay to another bay in my shop today.  I looked down to see that the hydro release lever was still in the release position.  I shook my head and realized that that was the reason why his tractor wouldn't move the other day!  I moved it to the driving position and she moved easily under her own power!  I will still replace the filter and fluid but at least it's not something serious. 

Here are some pictures of her with the rest of the family.

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They seem to be playing nicely and putting up with each other!


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Posted July 26, 2017 - 03:07 AM

Nice project
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Posted July 26, 2017 - 04:41 AM

Glad you found the hydro issue. The others have their backs turned to the newcomer. Hope they turn around and get acquainted soon.


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