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#1 classic ONLINE  

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Posted June 23, 2017 - 10:26 AM

Just an update on how the Page is coming along. I had to replace the ring gear, spider gears, and carrier bearings. The gear teeth had some deep pitting in places, so I had to replace the carrier bearings to shim the carrier over to the left .010. I set the drivetrain in place so that I can fab some new gas tank brackets and make a replacement hood. I have to head to the metal shop to get a piece of sheet metal to make the hood, and I have a few ideas on how to shape it. Hopefully it comes out good on the first try.

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Posted June 23, 2017 - 10:49 AM

You'd be surprised at how much a couple of bananas crammed in the third member quiets the rough surface gears.

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Posted June 23, 2017 - 11:00 AM

I could live with some minor pitting on the ring gear Kris, but I was afraid that one of these teeth would chip or possibly break off. It's a shame, since the rest of the teeth are in great shape.

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Posted June 23, 2017 - 11:26 AM

I'm watching and learning, looks great :thumbs:


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Posted June 23, 2017 - 04:40 PM

Thanks Ellis, it's been a fun tractor to work on. Left sitting out in the weather created most of the problems that this machine had. I'm learning a bit myself along the way, too.
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Posted June 23, 2017 - 05:41 PM

Looking great Jim as always.


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Posted June 23, 2017 - 06:15 PM

Thanks Hank, I'm starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel with this one. Hopefully I can get a couple of good days to do some painting next week. The regular rain and almost constant humidity puts a bit of a damper on things.

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Posted June 23, 2017 - 08:35 PM

I once bought a small MM tractor that had gear case full of water for long time. Ring gear had couple teeth missing and others half-gone, BUT it was right at the water line!  Above was slightly oily, below stayed in water and no oxy I guess, some rust, but not bad. The teeth right at level must have gotten enough water AND oxygen to make bigger re-action and ate them away. I bet that is what was going on here.  This some common rear that you can still get all those new???


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Posted June 24, 2017 - 12:57 AM

The water sure does eat things up GL.The cluster gear in the transmission was the same way, but much worse. I had to change out all gears, shafts, and bearings in the transmission. It always seems to be that the gears in the bottom of the transmission are pitted worse than the upper gears. You could be right in what you are thinking about how they rust. After some research, I found that this rear end is a Dana model 11. These were found in some Crosley cars from the late 30's and 40's and were also used in early 60's Harley Davidson golf carts. The part number on the ring gear is 17649 and isn't easy to find new. I think the Dana rears in the PK's were Dana model 23's and have a larger ring gear. I have seen different rear end covers on PK rears, so I want to find out what the difference between them is. The small Dana model 11 ring gear, part number 17649 was used in some Bush Hog garden tractors, too. The tooth count on the ring gear is 31 and 6 on the pinion gear. It's a 5.17 gear ratio, same as in the PK's with the Dana model 23 rears. The carrier bearings that I replaced in this Dana model 11 are the same bearings used in early 70's Chevy Vega rears. They are a common bearing and easy to find.

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Posted June 25, 2017 - 07:32 AM

Hi Jim, the tractor is coming along nicely, I take it you found a replacement ring gear, question the shaft out of the trans going over the differential is that a PTO



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Posted June 25, 2017 - 12:17 PM

Thanks GB. I took a nice ring gear and spider gears out of a Mighty Mite parts tractor. I had to do some shimming to get the correct pattern and replaced the carrier bearings. That is a PTO above the rear end, but it only spins when the rear wheels are turning. I stayed up until 3am this morning, got up at 5:30am, and worked my butt off on the tractor. Just put some gas in it and gave it a test run. Now I have to relocate the gas tank, and get everything ready for paint. This thing is cool to buzz around on! No odd noises, everything is tight, and the rear axles are straight now. YEE-HA!

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Posted June 25, 2017 - 01:26 PM

Hey Jim that's interesting about the PTO in farm tractor they refer it to a ground speed PTO which it would be do you know what the approx R's are? Yes its looking good its always a blast to fire them up and take it for a first run :dancingbanana: . So is the hood in the last picture the right one or one that someone made? How is the steering I see there is no gearbox.


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Posted June 25, 2017 - 04:20 PM

Thanks for the info on the PTO, GB. In third gear the ratio would be 1:1 between the crankshaft and PTO, since 3rd gear in the transmission is 1:1 and the PTO is also the driveshaft. The Briggs 23AFB max output RPM is around 3600. The hood in the pic that came on the tractor is home made. The original hood is fairly simple to make and I'll be getting to that shortly. The steering is a little funky right now since I haven't tweaked it back to how it should be. The steering got a little bent up over the years and it binds a little. It's basically like steering on a go Kart, and it seems like it will be ok once tweaked, painted, and greased up. It's strange to drive with the steering wheel high and to the left, but I like it. It feels way different than anything that I've driven. I'll be working on this machine steadily until it's done and I'll be taking it to a local show in August.
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Posted June 26, 2017 - 05:45 AM

I've never seen a garden tractor with a PTO like take , cool , do you know of others ?  I wonder what attachments were designed for it or was the idea you used it as a stationary with one wheel off the ground ?


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Posted June 26, 2017 - 05:41 PM

The PTO has me wondering, ALC. I'm having a hard time finding pics of implements for these tractors, but I remember seeing some sales brochures for Red-E tractors built by Page and I'll have to look them over.
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