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Posted May 31, 2017 - 07:18 PM

Ok, then it's obviously not an 87, what year did they come out? And are my decals correct for that year? If mine was the first year out and Stews is 2 runs newer it would seem that he'd have the newer style decals possibly and mine should be the older style like his. Maybe you cant answer that based on the information you have, im just curious is all because possibly some day ill clean it up nicer than it is now & repaint/re-decal it, & would be nice to know what it's "supposed" to be.

 

1984 is when the HT23 2389s-01 came out.  

1985 HT23 2389s-02 came out.

1986 HT23 2389s-03 came out.

1987 HT23 2389s-04 came out.


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Posted May 31, 2017 - 07:21 PM

I thought your tag said Serial # 0400167, which would make it an '87. As an 01, the hood decals are wrong. The model will only say 2389S, without the extra run designation.

 

 

Its a 01 by the photo of the tag.  


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Posted May 31, 2017 - 07:22 PM

1984 is when the HT23 2389s-01 came out.  

1985 HT23 2389s-02 came out.

1986 HT23 2389s-03 came out.

1987 HT23 2389s-04 came out.

That is where things get confusing. I have an original 2389S owner's manual from May of '83.


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Posted May 31, 2017 - 07:25 PM

Its a 01 by the photo of the tag.  

Yes, I see that, which was the point of my comment.


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Posted May 31, 2017 - 07:46 PM

Yes, I see that, which was the point of my comment.

I must of miss read your post.

 

That is where things get confusing. I have an original 2389S owner's manual from May of '83.

 

Printed in may many of the things for the next year were made in the year before from what I have seen.   Kinda like cars.  


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Posted May 31, 2017 - 07:47 PM

Thank you both Jerome & Paul. That has cleared up alot of my questions as to if my tractor has had the cruise stripped off or not. As far as the aluminum dash is concerned, I'll say that was a replaced broken cracked plastic one which is fine with me, & everything else is correct. The only thing left for me to determine now is which decals are correct... since there were clearly 3 different types used on the ht23's discussed earlier in the post. I'd still be interested in the cruise control option to put on this tractor if anyone is willing to part with one.
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Posted May 31, 2017 - 07:48 PM

That is where things get confusing. I have an original 2389S owner's manual from May of '83.

That would be the date that it was published.

 

They would need them published earlier than 84 so that they would be ready when the tractors were released.


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Posted May 31, 2017 - 08:13 PM

Kind of interesting to know I have the 67th 2389s ever made, lol
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Posted May 31, 2017 - 08:40 PM

All those pretty tractors. :) 

Keep them working guys. 

 

Dan


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Posted June 01, 2017 - 01:36 AM

Paul, I believe your newest addition to be a 2389-02 which should be a 1983 vintage. Power steering and oil cooler were optional equipment. Having the original paperwork is nice, however the paperwork did always not come directly with the tractors. It is quite possible that the dealer had already ordered the new manuals to update and supersede the older prints. Many dealers only provided the owner/operator manual and warranty card at the time of sale. Parts manuals were offered at a minimal extra cost.

In 1984, the 2389S-01 was offered which has power steering and oil cooler as standard equipment. The decals changed in 1984 to the style that kjmweld has on his tractor. The 2389S-01 did not have the HT23 decal on the lower front of the grill. Nor did it have cruise control. That was added to 2389S-02 and up tractors. Chev's 2389S-03 should have the newer style hood decals also. Hard telling if the hood was changed at some point or decals were replaced. The 2389S-04 came with power steering and cruise control standard, but the oil cooler was omitted. I would assume this was done to cut costs.

There were a few other changes made throughout the 2389S life cycle, much involving the ball joints, tie rod ends and the RH steering arm to address problems and failures of the power steering hanging up on the front wheel in tight turns and uneven ground travel. That's almost too confusing to even attempt to sort out, as I have found on many occasions that the parts on these tractors don't always coincide with what's listed in the parts manual. The mystery is whether they were sold/shipped that way or were repaired/replaced under warranty conditions.
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Posted June 01, 2017 - 07:55 AM

Paul, I believe your newest addition to be a 2389-02 which should be a 1983 vintage. Power steering and oil cooler were optional equipment. Having the original paperwork is nice, however the paperwork did always not come directly with the tractors. It is quite possible that the dealer had already ordered the new manuals to update and supersede the older prints. Many dealers only provided the owner/operator manual and warranty card at the time of sale. Parts manuals were offered at a minimal extra cost.

In 1984, the 2389S-01 was offered which has power steering and oil cooler as standard equipment. The decals changed in 1984 to the style that kjmweld has on his tractor. The 2389S-01 did not have the HT23 decal on the lower front of the grill. Nor did it have cruise control. That was added to 2389S-02 and up tractors. Chev's 2389S-03 should have the newer style hood decals also. Hard telling if the hood was changed at some point or decals were replaced. The 2389S-04 came with power steering and cruise control standard, but the oil cooler was omitted. I would assume this was done to cut costs.

There were a few other changes made throughout the 2389S life cycle, much involving the ball joints, tie rod ends and the RH steering arm to address problems and failures of the power steering hanging up on the front wheel in tight turns and uneven ground travel. That's almost too confusing to even attempt to sort out, as I have found on many occasions that the parts on these tractors don't always coincide with what's listed in the parts manual. The mystery is whether they were sold/shipped that way or were repaired/replaced under warranty conditions.

It is very faint, but I believe I can see 0200 in the serial number, which would concur with your thinking. Nice write up, Todd. Thanks!  Paul


Edited by Paulgo, June 01, 2017 - 07:58 AM.

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Posted June 01, 2017 - 07:46 PM

Paul, I believe your newest addition to be a 2389-02 which should be a 1983 vintage. Power steering and oil cooler were optional equipment. Having the original paperwork is nice, however the paperwork did always not come directly with the tractors. It is quite possible that the dealer had already ordered the new manuals to update and supersede the older prints. Many dealers only provided the owner/operator manual and warranty card at the time of sale. Parts manuals were offered at a minimal extra cost.

In 1984, the 2389S-01 was offered which has power steering and oil cooler as standard equipment. The decals changed in 1984 to the style that kjmweld has on his tractor. The 2389S-01 did not have the HT23 decal on the lower front of the grill. Nor did it have cruise control. That was added to 2389S-02 and up tractors. Chev's 2389S-03 should have the newer style hood decals also. Hard telling if the hood was changed at some point or decals were replaced. The 2389S-04 came with power steering and cruise control standard, but the oil cooler was omitted. I would assume this was done to cut costs.

There were a few other changes made throughout the 2389S life cycle, much involving the ball joints, tie rod ends and the RH steering arm to address problems and failures of the power steering hanging up on the front wheel in tight turns and uneven ground travel. That's almost too confusing to even attempt to sort out, as I have found on many occasions that the parts on these tractors don't always coincide with what's listed in the parts manual. The mystery is whether they were sold/shipped that way or were repaired/replaced under warranty conditions.


Todd,if I'm understanding you right,the first 23 was produced in 1983 ?

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Posted June 01, 2017 - 09:31 PM

Todd,if I'm understanding you right,the first 23 was produced in 1983 ?


No, the 2389-01 was produced in 1979 & 1980. The 2389-02 ran from 1981-1983.

To my knowledge, all HT23 tractors built from 1984 - 1987 carry the "2389S" model designation. The 2389S-01 in 1984, 2389S-02 in 1985, 2389S-03 in 1986 and finally 2389S-04 in 1987.

I truly wish that Bolens would have simplified their model & serial number process. It gets confusing at times due to the use of "like" model numbers, with only the first 2 digits of the serial to identify the production run. Such as the 2389-02 was made for 3 years. It leaves many questions at times as to exactly what year the tractor was built, with us only having to guess depending on how high or low the serial number is. The HT's aren't too bad to figure out though. Where it get really bad is the ST series.
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Posted June 01, 2017 - 09:43 PM

No, the 2389-01 was produced in 1979 & 1980. The 2389-02 ran from 1981-1983.

To my knowledge, all HT23 tractors built from 1984 - 1987 carry the "2389S" model designation. The 2389S-01 in 1984, 2389S-02 in 1985, 2389S-03 in 1986 and finally 2389S-04 in 1987.

I truly wish that Bolens would have simplified their model & serial number process. It gets confusing at times due to the use of "like" model numbers, with only the first 2 digits of the serial to identify the production run. Such as the 2389-02 was made for 3 years. It leaves many questions at times as to exactly what year the tractor was built, with us only having to guess depending on how high or low the serial number is. The HT's aren't too bad to figure out though. Where it get really bad is the ST series.

 

Bolens is one of the hardest to deal with when it comes to serial numbers and model that is why I been collecting them.    After years of looking in paper work, price list, engineering paper work, and anything else I can get my hands on I got some of the stuff worked out.  Hope I can post the info down the road.  


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Posted June 01, 2017 - 09:53 PM

Bolens is one of the hardest to deal with when it comes to serial numbers and model that is why I been collecting them. After years of looking in paper work, price list, engineering paper work, and anything else I can get my hands on I got some of the stuff worked out. Hope I can post the info down the road.


Exactly. Many times, it takes a good cross referencing between the service seminar books, the parts manuals and service bulletins to make an educated guess on some of these. I have memorized many specific details that help pinpoint models just at a glance, but that doesn't always work. I once also had access to many of the engineering department notes, inter office memorandums, design drawings and blueprints, but sadly I was not able to save those files.
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