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#1 637Yeoman OFFLINE  

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Posted May 01, 2017 - 02:38 PM

For me, there is four tiers of small tractors. 

Those are as follows: 

Lawn mower

Lawn tractor

Garden tractor

Sub compact 

*Compact doesn't qualify as small to me*

Also, i will be using Simplicity tractors for my demonstration

 

 

 

      I consider a Yeoman, for instance, a lawn tractor, as it can snow blow, plow, mow, and revitalize, etc, while a Wonder boy, can only mow, and plow up to three inches with its small plow. You dont have the capability to do other things, that the bigger Yeoman can. The Serf's, are right at the edge of lawn tractors, as you can plow and snowblow

      Then there is the Broadmoor, that dosent quite qualify as a Garden Tractor, and IMO, a Garden Tractor is something you can work the garden with, and by that, i mean plow disc etc. NOT rototill, but a good GT should have the capability to do that as well

      And of course, my favorite, the Large Frames. Those being the Landlords, and Sovereigns.

These tractors are Garden Tractors. I cant think of anything you cant do with a large frame. From mowing, lawn rolling, to picking up bucket loads of manure, to plowing the garden, and snowblowing, this thing can do it all.

      To be a sub-compact, IMO, you have to have a three point. This is my opinion  you may not agree with me, and have all the capabilities as the other tractors above.

 

So what do you guys think? Thought this might be an interesting subject

 

Thanks, Luke 


Edited by 637Yeoman, May 01, 2017 - 02:39 PM.

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Posted May 01, 2017 - 03:24 PM

I have a Ford YT16H. The YT stands for Yard Tractor. Meaning Its heavier than a Lawn tractor, but not as heavy as a Garden Tractor. I could be wrong thou. Any way, another one for your List.

 

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Posted May 01, 2017 - 03:26 PM

I prefer Alice!


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Posted May 01, 2017 - 03:29 PM

Lawn mowers are just that, mowers. Maybe a small trailer.

Lawn tractors can push snow, pull trailers. Even a small snowblower buts it's limited in all aspects. No ground engagement what so ever.

Garden tractors are ground engaging. Plowing, discing, push dirt, small loader, etc. Some kind if rear hitch with lifting capabilities whether it be a sleeve or cat. 0 3 point. Hydraulics are fairly common.

Sub compact is around the same size as a "Super" garden tractor but has a Cat 1 3 point as opposed to the 0. 540 rear pto, 4x4 etc. Hydraulics are almost a must have. Things are heavier.

I don't agree with labeling a GT a sub due to a 3 point. My Massey 16, 14, AMF 1414, and John Deere 140 are just GT's with 3 points. My Massey 1655, Deere 420, and Case 444 are larger and would be more considered Supers. I use that for the 444 loosely simply since its only a single 14 kohler. All my machines except 2 have 3 points. Not one is a sub compact. Few of them are Supers but no sub compacts.

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Posted May 01, 2017 - 03:33 PM

Lawn mowers are just that, mowers. Maybe a small trailer.

Lawn tractors can push snow, pull trailers. Even a small snowblower buts it's limited in all aspects. No ground engagement what so ever.

Garden tractors are ground engaging. Plowing, discing, push dirt, small loader, etc. Some kind if rear hitch with lifting capabilities whether it be a sleeve or cat. 0 3 point. Hydraulics are fairly common.

Sub compact is around the same size as a "Super" garden tractor but has a Cat 1 3 point as opposed to the 0. 540 rear pto, 4x4 etc. Hydraulics are almost a must have. Things are heavier.

I don't agree with labeling a GT a sub due to a 3 point. My Massey 16, 14, AMF 1414, and John Deere 140 are just GT's with 3 points. My Massey 1655, Deere 420, and Case 444 are larger and would be more considered Supers. I use that for the 444 loosely simply since its only a single 14 kohler. All my machines except 2 have 3 points. Not one is a sub compact. Few of them are Supers but no sub compacts.

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I don't consider Alice a subcompact. She was built using parts from several different brands of GT's.


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Posted May 01, 2017 - 03:53 PM

I think dropped82 pretty much matches my definition.

 

I'll go a bit further and suggest that a subcompact has a limited cat 1 hitch, the larger pins but not necessarily the width of lift height of a full cat 1 hitch.


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Posted May 01, 2017 - 04:06 PM

I think dropped82 pretty much summed it up. All of the old Cubs, Bolens, Allis, Simplicity, JD, etc. that had front end loaders as an option are what I consider garden tractors. I think an Allis B1 with a loader attachment would be the smallest "garden tractor" made.
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Posted May 01, 2017 - 04:31 PM

I had a Simplicity 4140 PwerMax front loader, it was called a garden tractor, but if you have to climb in it it's a sub compact.
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Posted May 01, 2017 - 05:39 PM

I had a Simplicity 4140 PwerMax front loader, it was called a garden tractor, but if you have to climb in it it's a sub compact.

 

 

That might be classified as a Super Garden Tractor like the Large frame Bolens 1250-ht23D and Cub Cadet Super 982-2284 Craftsman HT18-24.Super garden tractors had larger attachment variations such as Post hole diggers and Back Hoe and Trencher Cat 0/1 hitch ect ect.They can do just as much work as a sub compact but weigh a bit less.


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Posted May 01, 2017 - 05:52 PM

If its hard to push, it qualifies.


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Posted May 01, 2017 - 06:57 PM

It has to be able to do ground engagement work and fit in your garden.


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Posted May 01, 2017 - 07:50 PM

That might be classified as a Super Garden Tractor like the Large frame Bolens 1250-ht23D and Cub Cadet Super 982-2284 Craftsman HT18-24.Super garden tractors had larger attachment variations such as Post hole diggers and Back Hoe and Trencher Cat 0/1 hitch ect ect.They can do just as much work as a sub compact but weigh a bit less.


They weigh 1300 lbs bare, mine was a utility model built for the USMC, with steel roof and high lift loader, it weighed 2100 lbs. my Cub Cadet 3208 is a super garden tractor and it's 400 lbs lighter than the bare 4140. Not sure where they fit.
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Posted May 01, 2017 - 07:55 PM

Lawn tractors are just that.  Made for mowing lawns, small wheels, maybe a small front blade, light weight frames, small vertical shaft engines.

Garden Tractors are heavier built and have the capability of using ground engaging equipment without modification, as well as front mounted equipment.  May or may not have cat O 3 point, larger engines with horizontal shafts.

Sub Compacts are built heavier yet and handle a FEL + all the GT's do but larger and heavier equipment.  Most have cat O 3 point standard.

Compacts are small scale farm tractors with all the capabilities of a sub with no modifications.  Attachments are built and approved by the mfg.


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Posted May 01, 2017 - 09:17 PM

Like othrs have said, if they take ground engaging attachments, I view them as a Garden tractor. Am well aware some of those are better than others.
My collection is: Toro Workhorse 264-6, mower deck & sleeve hitch, Dixon 26/54, electric sleeve hitch (bought new w/o mower deck) JD 314, electric sleeve hitch, mower deck (owned it 10 yrs. (never had the more deck on it) & snowblower, CC 1042 mower. subcompact Kubota B7510 w/loader. A JD model 70 & a JD 4020.
The Dixon and the 314 are used all the time in my garden, from plowing to harvesting. They save this old man a lot of work.
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Posted May 01, 2017 - 09:32 PM

Hard to determine. The Craftsman II's that I have can have a FEL if I ever find one, and as for ground engagement here is a towing vid where I had to be the ballast.  https://www.youtube....h?v=O2X0aaDXl-Y    


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