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Posted February 25, 2018 - 05:47 AM

Did changing the front mounting from inside to outside make the attachment different ?  


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Posted February 25, 2018 - 09:03 AM

Hi Alc, the front attachment's would still interchange between the B,D and L/M platforms if they are Simplicity or Ward's, the waterloo's don't get the quick hitch so there is no interchange on forward attachment's between Simplicity and Waterloo
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Posted February 26, 2018 - 11:18 PM

B+D=15/20, Simplicity changes its approach to assembly in 48, the B is nuts and bolts construction and the D is unionized welded components, the front half of the D frame is simply a welded up B, this new approach is then applied to the B frame and the Waterloo 15/20 frame is born,this is a late 15 because it has the 20 cross bars like the late 20 got the 15's round cross bars, I'm not kidding, it go's just like that lol

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Posted March 03, 2018 - 11:24 PM

B+D=30/40(49)/40/45, in pic (1) is the pivot mount's from the D, in pic (2) is the frame rail from the B, pic's (3-7) is the early 30 frame, pic's (8,9) late 30 frame, pic (10) is B handlebars, pic (11) is D handlebars (for comparison only, not used), simplicity has taken various on hand components and built a new frame, the right frame rail on these is straight up B left frame rail and ready for the B's handlebars that these tractors use, the left frame rail is offset in the rear for the correct handlebar spacing, this offset left frame rail is only on the early 30 and is the result of the left rail being moved in to create the correct spacing for external mount's (this is simplicity's first narrow frame as seen later in the L/M), pic (5) shows this narrowing has pushed the motor mount's outside the right frame rail as also seen in (6,7), this does not last for a reason and the left frame rail is soon moved out pulling the over hanging motor mount's back inside the frame (8,9), it now has the B left frame rail left and right (9) and correct spacing for the B handlebars, with B frame rails,B handlebars, a modified B gear case and B hubs i should probably call this new platform the B+ lol, i have to call these something so it will be Simplicity's X line, the early 30 is X1 platform, the late 30 is X2, the change from X1 to X2 happens between the Ser. No.'s in pics (12,13) and
i will add to the X designation's with the later tractors next post.

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Posted March 08, 2018 - 09:44 PM

The frame change happens at Ser. No. 601, the 3 pulley'd sheve is what drives the motor mount's to the right on the X1 frame and is only found on this frame for that reason

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Posted March 16, 2018 - 12:42 AM

Waterloo-Supremacy model 40 (50-51), pics (1,2) Supremacy, (3,4) waterloo, this is the X2 frame applied to the B, it gets the X3 platform designation, because everything on these is B, beffed up B or designed like B from here on I'm calling it the 40 B, it's possible (Not for sure) this is the introduction of Supremacy (1950), the Ser No's for the Supremacy 40 B (12) and Waterloo 40 B (13) are a mile apart and show that Supremacy has it's own No's. it is also possible that Supremacy is just low production and i just haven't found a 48 or 49 tractor, in pics (5-7) is the engagement rod set coller's, this identifyer at a glance will separate a B from a D at any angle and is used on the 40 B's, the cast engagement handle on both comes from the B (recast), waterloo in general use B handlebars, Supremacy handlebars are flat stock and I'm guessing this is Waterloo's doing, the frame bracket (8-11),B,B,15/20 and 40 B) is B in design with heavier casting and mount's moved down under the frame to handle the increased HP., the last pic is to give credit where do, though the tractor in pics (1,2) was eventually pegged as a Supremacy 45 only Gtractor got the model right (the cast iron driven pulley(sheve) is 40 B specific), funny thing this channel GTT,i was the first to comment on this "what is it" Supremacy thread saying someone would come along and identify the tractor lol

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Posted March 21, 2018 - 01:40 AM

X1 late, this tractor represents a settling down of the platforms but not the models,in pic (4) is a late 20 and a correction to my ass-mption (no U all me lol) of the 49 20, this is as far as i can go with any tangible dating of these tractors, I have seen the brochure this X1 late came from and not realizing these bigger waterloo's were Simplicity i didn't grab it and now the site is under construction and my E-mails unanswered so far, this part of the waterloo's will be picked up later in a part 2 when i have more information at the end of the Hoe-Trac thread in corrections and addishions, I can run the platform changes so I'm starting with that,the first pic is a quick internet hit and has everything i need, the top tractor in it has the only steady platform
of the bunch based on the B, the model designation however will flip 4 times,the 3rd tractor in the first pic is the 48 30 from the 49 20/40 brochure, it is X2 and will run at least to 53 pics (5-8)(Gwest),this model starts as X1 then X2 then X1 late which we have in the 2nd tractor in the first pic, easily identified by the external forward attachment mount's(2-3), this tractor is a twin to the early 30 and separated mostly by the engagement handle (9-10) (cross bars are hit and miss) and Simplicity attachment friendly (less quick hitch) external mount's, this constant flip floping of models and platforms with small changes and upgrades makes the early waterloo's the easiest tractors I've ever seen to put a date on but for now I'm stuck at 53 so the dating of the 50's tractors is on hold, the real answers to waterloo tractors doesn't come from dates anyway but from ancestry, and I'm about to do a ancestry.com on them, time to meet the rest of the family.

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Posted March 22, 2018 - 01:13 AM

Waterbury Plow-Trac (48) and the B, it is THE X1,because just about everything has already been said about this tractor i get to go straight to the biggest difference between it and the Waterloo's, both tractors use the modified B gear case with waterbury getting the low and inboard engagement mount on the gear case and Waterloo getting the top to the right engagement mount on the gear case, this puts the waterbury's engagement handle to the right of center on the cross bar and Waterloo's far right on the cross bar, all X1 waterloo's are twins basically to the 48 Plow-Trac in general and this is what drives the platform changes seen in the waterloo's, the story from here has to be woven together with more than tractors so there might be some bouncing around ahead and if so any questions for clarification are welcome

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Posted April 07, 2018 - 12:43 AM

Simplicity levels the playing field with Montgomery Ward, the Simplicity story doesn't start in ernest until 1948, in pic(1) is a perception of Simplicity being in the shadow of M/W, i totally agree with the first 2/5th's of this statement, however, from 48 on Simplicity will play M/W like a drum, this ability comes from the sale of its engine tooling to Waterbury in 46 (2) and with it Simplicity has seen the light, good spot for yet another correction to the frames, only the X1 is a narrow frame with external forward attachment mount's(3)

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Posted April 07, 2018 - 05:32 AM

The 1st picture shows a rototiller , was that an attachment or just a tiller ?


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Posted April 07, 2018 - 10:28 AM

Hi Alc, it would be a attachment because it is mounted on a tractor, the bigger question this brings up is it a attachment or a implement, for me the difference lies in wether or not the attachment engage's the ground, so in this sense the rotatiller attachment would be a implement
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Posted April 15, 2018 - 07:35 PM

Handle bar mount's, these hanger mount's are a carryover from the time line tractors and used by Simplicity to market the time line implements for these post time line tractors, pic (13) of the BMB plow shows how versatile Simplicity's implements are with nothing more than a change of hitch,because this handle bar mount is wards Midland will use it (19) to run existing (Simplicity) and new (midland) tools, this can also be said of the Waterloo and waterbury tractors, in pic (7) is the 48 waterloo 15 with these mount's, the 15/20 waterloo's are the only example of a B platform carrying these mount's that i have found, Simplicity itself no longer uses this mount with the 45 3hp C (20) being the last example I've seen.

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