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Posted January 18, 2018 - 01:18 AM

Waterloo/Supremacy and the B, the first two pics are a B1 and B2 gear case, pic 3 is the inside of a Waterloo 15 case(New.Canadian.DB.Owener) and pic 4 is the inside of a ward's power cultivator case, there's more to this than a recast for upgrading to gear lube and since much of the B lives on in some of these tractors I'm including them in the time line

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Posted January 24, 2018 - 07:15 PM

Both of these tractors are 40's, one is based on the B platform (pic 1,2) and the other is based on the L/M platform (pic 3,4(New.Canadian.DB.Owener, Mike Unwin), the B gear case has been modified on both tractors for higher h.p. application by beefing up the casting around the input shaft, because the L/M platform uses a floating gear case for engagement a mount is cast on top of the case for tractors with this type of engaging (3,4), this area is just flat(5) on the high h.p. B application as it uses an idler pulley for engagement, the input shaft on both has been moved to the 12:00 position, this position is necessary for the floating engagement application and is simply a carryover for the B platform out of convenience in Manufacturing and parts. Dang it! I have called a 30 a 40 and will fix later with right pics, not easy tractors to read lol

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Posted January 25, 2018 - 02:22 PM

I'm leaving the miss labeled pics because in application they are correct, all floating engagement tractors have the engagement lever on the right side of the handlebar and because of this miss step I'm going to run the early tractors next before returning to component identification

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Posted January 26, 2018 - 01:10 AM

Waterloo tractors 48-49. The 15 and 30 in pics 1 and 2 are the 48 tractors, the 15 is based on the B platform and the 30 is based on the L/M platform, they are new because they are the start of a new line of tractors, pic 3 is a 15 add referencing the 30, pic 4 has the date, pics 5-7 are the 20 and 40, they are the 49 tractors, they are the same tractors as the 48's and only new because of an increase in h.p., pic 8 has the date, these tractors are in flux and will do a total reset in 50, this is also the only year (49) the 40 will use the L/M platform with floating engagement

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Posted January 26, 2018 - 07:39 AM

Whew, that's some heavy reading. My mind is whirling still.

Thanks for the extensive research.

 

An 8hp tractor of that style, would be a handful to operate.


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Posted January 27, 2018 - 01:13 AM

Thanks twowheeler63, I must admit this short tractor ride around the block that turned into a trip across the pond and currently on the greener side of the fence has been quite the joy ride lol (and good measure of my addiction), I think you'll enjoy the slight bang this Canadian story makes when it ends State side

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Posted January 27, 2018 - 06:29 AM

Would you know about the attachments mentioned in the brochure ? They listed a power take off , which looks like maybe some kind of jack-shaft and " Attachment for ordinary lawn mower "   looks like it would attach to the front and use a push reel mower without the handles ?  I wonder how balanced the tractors are with the dirt plow and the  front weight on , with the engine far front and the extra front weight it looks like you hold the plow out of the ground with one hand when turning or transporting 


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Posted January 28, 2018 - 12:54 AM

Hi Alc, the plow is lifted with the handlebar's with the rectangular piece in the pics, it functions as a hanger-guid-gage, the counter weight is what makes the tractor less work to run by providing balance on turns and shifting weight to the front while working, this in turn lets the implement get more bite in the sweet spot which is neutral handlebar vertical loads, yes the PTO in question is a jack shaft, it allows for far more gearing options, an 8:1 ratio going into this PTO with 8:1 coming out is 64:1, the push reel attachment looks like it would work but looking at some pushers i have i think they would be scrap in short order mounted in the middle like that

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Posted January 29, 2018 - 02:09 AM

The 48 15 (pic 1) and the 49 20 (2) are easy to tell apart, the 15 will not get cross bars until 50, the 49 20 gets flat cross bars, with the limited material i have to work with the 20 appears to be a one year only model, in the 20-40 brochure (3) the tractor in the top right is simply a 48 model 15 in a 49 add., in the last pic (in both the 48 and 49 brochures) we see the Waterloo sickle bar mower, that is a 47 Ward's Hoe-Trac carrying it, the 48 15 and the 47 Hoe-Trac are twins separated mostly by the quick hitch on the Hoe-Trac and lack of which on the 15, Waterloo tractors are not allowed the quick hitch for a reason and this will be covered later

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Posted January 29, 2018 - 06:47 PM

I need to have some fun, my Hoe-Trac's have done a putt putt into the sunset with out me and are currently over the horizon, these pics are from an auction, in the 4th pic is a listing of the Waterloo walk behind's a 20,30 and 40, pics 1-3 show 5 tractors, i have given just enough information (this is a tough crowd here right lol) to identify all these tractors, how many of the 5 can you name

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Posted January 30, 2018 - 02:51 AM

The 48 30 and the 49 40, these tractors are twins, both have flat cross bars (i have found one exception to the flat bars for the 48-49 tractors with this late 49 model 20 in pic 5 (mike Unwin), this could also apply to the 40) and with out tags would be hard to tell apart, in the first pic is the 30, it has a drive engagement lever that swings horizontally (pics 3-4)and a good identifier for the early 30s,in the second pic we see a late 30 with a curved pull back over the cross bar engagement leaver, the 49 40 should have this (not positive about this by no means) engagement leaver also as this 30 is being used in place of a 40 in this 20-40 brochure pics 6-7

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Posted January 30, 2018 - 06:23 AM

I just noticed that some have handle bar grips ( 2nd pic )  and others didn't  ( 1st pic )  , I wonder why ?


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Posted January 30, 2018 - 09:50 AM

Hi Alc, this pic is from the 48 30 in pic one above, it shows that hand grips were on the early models, the grips shrink and crack from weathering,especially direct sunlight is hard on rubber or plastic parts, tractors found under a tree or in a shed would have a better chance of having grips than tractors left unprotected in the open, there just wasnt much to the early grips they were just smooth and thin

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Posted February 04, 2018 - 07:18 PM

I have overlooked an engagement handle, the top pic(Mike unwind) is of a 48 30,it has a straight pull back engagement handle,this handle belongs between the horizontal and curved engagement handles, these handles make a great identifyer for early,mid. and late production of the 48 30's

 

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