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#16 MiCarl OFFLINE  

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Posted April 04, 2017 - 06:40 AM

Nice mower for a sissy.

 

I qualify.

 

My old Craftsman lawn tractor would beat me black and blue mowing my uneven lawn.  With my new Simplicity ZTR I mow at twice the ground speed and don't feel like I just lost a bar fight when I'm done.


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Posted April 04, 2017 - 06:46 AM

We had a Ferris IS5000 zero turn at our church, it was fully independent suspension at all 4 corners and the seat had springs, It was pretty smooth ride cutting at 10-12 mph.

 

I bet the mud mower crowd would love that little tractor, I could see it now lifted with mud tires on it.

 

I wonder how the transaxle was driven with the movement? I guess a belt could twist enough on it, probably not enough flex to worry about it.


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Posted April 04, 2017 - 08:57 AM

I'd have to go out and look again but the I believe the axle is belt driven. 


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Posted April 05, 2017 - 07:38 AM

but I would think it would cut uneven with the suspension?


The suspension has no effect on the cut. Simplicity's decks don't hang from the frame, they ride on the ground.

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Posted April 05, 2017 - 08:29 AM

Was at a Simplicity dealer today getting parts and was looking at new while waiting. Many of new Simps have spring suspension! I bounced when on the fenders some and it worked. The whole axle goes up/down. New one to me! Darn things have Mesh seats now too on most. No padding at all, just the mesh. For Cooler, non-sweaty ride, heh! Lower priced ones or maybe Med price, still had seats. I didn't see any names or models on them like in past with Sun Star or Landlord type names. The bigger one in these pix does not show much, was a $4000 tractor and little one was $3000 one, both had 25hp engines, and one had heavy deck, other not as heavy, but still not a stamped deck. Stamped were on smaller ones yet. Things are sure diff on new stuff! Getting bad as new cars, can't work on them anymore w/out special tools and equipment.  Interesting thing on bigger tractor was a deck height adjustment that was electric, BUT, right on the deck with small motor and a gear and linkage.  Almost like a window set-up in a car. Wonder how long they last getting grass built up on them and then you out there Washing it down with the hose??  Hitting it while removing the deck?   Not too sure on that one!

I see the suspension unit even have an adjust cam on them, like mc stuff.


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Posted April 05, 2017 - 08:29 AM

The suspension has no effect on the cut. Simplicity's decks don't hang from the frame, they ride on the ground.

Not sure that's true any more.  The deck on my Simplicity ZTR hangs from the frame.

Even if it does hang from the frame how can having suspension affect the cut any more than having a tire roll over a bump or drop into a hole?  I suppose operator weight might have an effect on the front/back leveling although there is nothing in my ZTR manual about compensating for that.


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Posted April 05, 2017 - 08:32 AM

I see the suspension unit even have an adjust cam on them, like mc stuff.

 

They do, but what tool to use?  it's not a spanner wrench like most MCs use and there is no tool that came with my ZTR.  I ended up using pliers - which I hated to do on a brand new piece of equipment.



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Posted April 05, 2017 - 08:40 AM

Not a mesh seat but will have some ventilation, just don't want to leave it in the hot sun unattended too long.

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Posted April 05, 2017 - 09:24 AM

That knob sticking up in the front of that seat has me more than a little concerned.  :biting_nails:


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Posted April 05, 2017 - 10:30 AM

I bought some repop tractor seats to replace the cracked vinyl on some cheap shop stools. you have to watch how you sit on them. It can be unpleasant if you don't get everything lined up right. Other than that, they are not bad for being planted on one all night. I use one for band gigs. sciatica sucks when you need to stand up for 6 hours at a time


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Posted April 06, 2017 - 04:39 PM

Not sure that's true any more. The deck on my Simplicity ZTR hangs from the frame.

Correct, but I was assuming we were talking about lawn tractors as that was what the OP was talking about. They're still ground following.
Funny story though, I just had a dealer tell me Simplicity's zero turn decks were ground following while he was pointing at the chains the deck was hanging from.

Even if it does hang from the frame how can having suspension affect the cut any more than having a tire roll over a bump or drop into a hole?

Also correct. That's exactly what the effect would be like. Pretty minor.

Toro has a new model of residential zero turn that just came out which has only the operator platform suspended. That would eliminate any suspension effect on the deck completely. It's basically a really big suspension seat with coil-overs. ;-)

Edited by Canawler, April 07, 2017 - 12:30 PM.

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Posted April 16, 2017 - 11:28 AM

suspension? Bunch of wusses...

Then again maybe that explains some things about me

Mighta rattled something important loo...where am I?

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Edited by Greasy6020, April 16, 2017 - 11:29 AM.

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Posted April 16, 2017 - 06:22 PM

Nice mower for a sissy.

This is a mower for someone with a bad back who cant handle mowing there own yard, but are determined to.

This is not a mower for a sissy.

People have issues, and have found a product that accommodates to those issues.

using those accommodations does not make them a sissy. 

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Posted April 16, 2017 - 09:35 PM

This is a mower for someone with a bad back who cant handle mowing there own yard, but are determined to.
This is not a mower for a sissy.
People have issues, and have found a product that accommodates to those issues.
using those accommodations does not make them a sissy. 
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Best thing said​ in this entire thread.
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