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#1 Greasy6020 OFFLINE  

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Posted December 29, 2016 - 06:40 PM

So, I have the tire chains mounted on my roper rt 16, but the left side is rubbing on the inside of the fender.

I have a cheap fix, putting a couple (3??) washers On the wheel bolts, between the rim and hub...

Does anyone see trouble happening with this idea?

I know I should just get a real spacer from eBay, but my budget is slim at best
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Posted December 29, 2016 - 09:37 PM

Maybe.

 

When the wheel is torqued down to the hub a lot of torque may be carried by friction between the hub and the wheel.  With the washers most of the torque would be carried by the lugs.  I think the lugs are more likely to flex with that set up too.

 

You could end up with broken lugs.  Or, if they're stout enough, it'll be just fine.


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Posted December 29, 2016 - 09:37 PM

As long as the bolt is completely in the hub, meaning not just held in by three of four threads, the worst that would happen is braking the bolts off. You may want to upgrade to a hardened bolt of the same thread size. My two cents.  


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Posted December 29, 2016 - 09:39 PM

Loosen the 3 set screws and move the hub out 1/2".Would be safer than putting washers between the rim and hub.The centric ring on those hubs take all of the weight and abuse.You could bust your cast iron hub especially running chains.

 

Another thing that will happen is you won't be able to keep the lug bolts tight.If there the same heavy hubs they used on the sears SS14 and SS15 Those hubs should have a 3" long keyway so 1/2" isn't going to hurt.

 

Hardest part doing that is getting the hub to move without breaking it.

 

 

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Edited by EricFromPa, December 29, 2016 - 09:40 PM.

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Posted December 29, 2016 - 10:04 PM

Loosen the 3 set screws and move the hub out 1/2".Would be safer than putting washers between the rim and hub.The centric ring on those hubs take all of the weight and abuse.You could bust your cast iron hub especially running chains.

Another thing that will happen is you won't be able to keep the lug bolts tight.If there the same heavy hubs they used on the sears SS14 and SS15 Those hubs should have a 3" long keyway so 1/2" isn't going to hurt.

Hardest part doing that is getting the hub to move without breaking it.


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Never thought about moving the hub "out"... I'll try that tomorrow...

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Posted December 29, 2016 - 10:08 PM

 
Hardest part doing that is getting the hub to move without breaking it.
 
 

Never thought about moving the hub "out"... I'll try that tomorrow...


I'll give an amen on how easy it can be to break cast. Be careful
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Posted December 29, 2016 - 10:12 PM

I'll give an amen on how easy it can be to break cast. Be careful


ok. Dunno how I'm gonna do this then...

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Posted December 29, 2016 - 10:26 PM

the axle on the splined hubs have an E clip to keep the hub on. Ditto on the washers stressing the hubs. you can get some 1" wheel spacers for the 5x4.5 bolt pattern pretty cheap. I bought a set of 4, 2" for $45. Down time and the cost to replace the busted hub will end up costing you that much by the time its all said and done.


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Posted December 29, 2016 - 10:47 PM

Lots of good penetrating oil in the holes where the 3 set screws are and let it soak in real good and keep spraying it down for a couple days.Then spray it down again before before trying to drive it off. If you can get it to move a bit spray it down again and tap it back on.Repeat a few times and it should slide completely off the axle. 

 

They usually aren't stuck on to awfully bad unless the tractor lived most of it's life sitting outside.If so you might have to heat it.

 

If you can get it off clean the axle up with a wire wheel or sand paper till it's smooth and rust free and apply a liberal amount of Anti-seize or some good thick white lithium grease to the axle and inside of the hub. 

 

 Those hubs are pretty stout. I beat on mine with a 3lb mini sledge to drive the one off. It was stuck pretty good.Don't beat on Cold cast iron though.It's Alot more brittle when it gets cold.You can heat it up a bit with a simple propane soldering torch.Heating it a bit might make it slide rite off.Don't heat it near the axle tube or you could cook the axle seal. 


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Posted December 29, 2016 - 11:44 PM

Once loosened, try making a puller. Just don't pull from the Lugbolt outer lip. Try to fashion something that will distribute the pulling force across the entire backside of the hub
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Posted December 29, 2016 - 11:46 PM

How much clearance do you need?

Could you finesse [bend] the fender slightly by prying up on the fender some allowing enough clearance?

Can you unbolt the fender assembly and put spacers under them?


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Posted December 30, 2016 - 12:30 AM

How much clearance do you need?
Could you finesse [bend] the fender slightly by prying up on the fender some allowing enough clearance?
Can you unbolt the fender assembly and put spacers under them?

1/4" clearance, I probably could take off some sheet metal from beside the fuel tank, without harm...

I'll post pics tomorrow to explain what I mean.

Edit, it's not rubbing on the fender itself, just the piece of sheet metal around the fuel tank...

Again, I'll post pics to explain what I mean. Not articulating super great, it's 12:30 am local time, need to sleep.

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Posted December 30, 2016 - 01:57 PM

I'm assuming one has tried flipping the wheels around?  Maybe can't do on this model, not sure?  I do that on my Speedex's and Horses. 



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Posted December 30, 2016 - 02:05 PM

I'm assuming one has tried flipping the wheels around? Maybe can't do on this model, not sure? I do that on my Speedex's and Horses.


They came flipped around. That was the first thing I thought of...

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Posted December 30, 2016 - 02:07 PM

With out pics Im wondering if you can raise fender the 1/2" you require, is that possible?






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