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#1 tater195 OFFLINE  

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Posted November 18, 2016 - 06:46 PM

I have had this derelict MW/ Gilson 16hp gear tractor for several years. It was an ex puller so it has been severely sodomized. Resto is out of the question. No spark, hack job external coil and etc. Has the starter/gen so that puts it pre '72. Have never been a fan of the old flojets and the 40+ year old ignition system can be a PITA, so I am drinking..er ah thinking about transplanting a vert twin flatty and doing a hot rod 1/2 scale 8N ford kinda thing or a junkyard jalopy. I found a good deal on some 5X4.5 trailer wheel/tires and started throwing parts at this for a mock up. cant decide if it would be easier to get the original engine running or just say screw it and get WAY out of the box on this one. On a side note, it came with an odd ball tire just to make it a (sort of) roller. It looks like a CC original wheel with a trashed goodyear diamond tread tire. If anyone needs the wheel, you can have it, just pay whatever fastenal wants for shipping.

 

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Posted November 18, 2016 - 08:02 PM

If the oem engine is good mechanically, fix the ignition, and stick with that, way easier/cheaper than a rebuild, or refit of another engine?

Personally, horizontal YAY, vertical NAY!

Good luck;)

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Posted November 18, 2016 - 08:11 PM

I'll post my address in pm. Just leave in drive, will blend in.

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Posted November 18, 2016 - 08:25 PM

It's a toss up on getting this one running as is vs engine swap. I agree these were good engines in the day, but 40 years later they are a PITA to get spark. Between the mag, p/c,plunger,wiring,switch,etc. Then you have to deal with lazy valves, borderline compression and a leaky flojet, I think I can scrap all of that and have a runner and spend less money, with 50 hours left over

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Posted November 18, 2016 - 08:36 PM

I am kinda thinking along the lines of the Craftsman II setup. A twisted belt is a twisted belt, it doesnt matter if it comes off of a horizontal or vertical engine if you have clearance and a way to make the clutch work


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Posted November 18, 2016 - 08:47 PM

If you go vertical and take off the right angle gear box under the seat, I might be interested in it as a spare for mine.   Also may be interested in the engine.



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Posted November 18, 2016 - 08:54 PM

    MMMMMM  I see potential, maybe stratch the frame a bit to make room for a 4 cyl engine, move the axle way ahead of the engine and  flip it over, give it a steep rake. then some small but wide rears to level it out a bit.  leave the hood of but put the grill back on??  Look way cool, just have to find a cheap engine somewhere.

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Posted November 18, 2016 - 08:55 PM

That was an option when I figure out which way I want to go. RAGB seems tight, not sure about the seals and the front axle pivot/ sump pan is in good shape. Guessing the weight at 100#+ so shipping could equal what it is worth.



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Posted November 18, 2016 - 09:02 PM

    MMMMMM  I see potential, maybe stratch the frame a bit to make room for a 4 cyl engine, move the axle way ahead of the engine and  flip it over, give it a steep rake. then some small but wide rears to level it out a bit.  leave the hood of but put the grill back on??  Look way cool, just have to find a cheap engine somewhere.

                                                                                                                 Pete

The axle pivot is cast into the engine sump, so that will have to go for the engine swap. I planned on moving the front axle forward about 8 inches to make room for the engine. Wouldnt need much mod on the frame to make that work.

I like the big tires on the back, but not sure I can pull off the mini 8N due to the seat/ tire/ fender ratio. I think I would have to go with a 30" rear tire to make that work. The low rider look might work with the right front axle



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Posted November 18, 2016 - 09:16 PM

if you scrap it i will be interested in fenders



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Posted November 18, 2016 - 09:26 PM

I may do custom fenders anyway



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Posted November 18, 2016 - 09:31 PM

The deal breaker right now is the steering. It is real tight and the front end doesnt have much scrub, so that will have to be built into the new axle. It is probably just rusted bushings and I can fix that. Excessively worn parts are a different story. 



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Posted November 18, 2016 - 09:45 PM

Convert it to electronic, and be done with it!

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Posted November 18, 2016 - 09:57 PM

pic of fore mentioned wheel>>>

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Posted November 18, 2016 - 10:03 PM

Convert it to electronic, and be done with it!

This is #3 of the MWs that have flat kicked my ass on spark troubles. It has the reversed magnets and the new sparkys dont work, cant find the old style mags and it aint worth the trouble to get the flywheel re-polarised.






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