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#1 DZG OFFLINE  

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Posted October 10, 2016 - 06:10 AM

Me and my buddy were talking in his garage last night, we are very "mechanically competitive" and got to debating the merits of his four wheeler.

I believe it to be a honda foreman, 750CC, he claims about 50hp, 4x4, etc, its a pretty stout quad.

Anyways, he swears up and down and sideways, it could drag more weight on a dead sled pull then my dads 48 Farmall Cub could.

Granted, the cub is far from tbe stoutest tractor out there, but i highly doubt it would get shown up in a brute strength competition against his quad.

The quad weighs about 750lbs, the tractor close to 1500, the tractor also has loaded tires and ag lugs, compared to the four wheelers general purpose tires.

I know hes got a huge hp advantage, but do you think it can actually put more wheel torque/pull down then the tractor?

Discuss please :)
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Posted October 10, 2016 - 06:34 AM

I would think it would be interesting to try.
4wd and HP will be an advantage in his case, but I still think the tractor would be the victor. It's what it was designed to do.
Before there were lawyers, they used to settle disputes like this with a good chain and a line on the ground.
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Posted October 10, 2016 - 07:17 AM

I go with the Cub. I'm guessing it's got better gearing.


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Posted October 10, 2016 - 07:25 AM

it's all in the gears
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Posted October 10, 2016 - 07:30 AM

I'm going Cub. Tires, weight, and gearing all on it's side.
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Posted October 10, 2016 - 07:33 AM

Tractor. Rear tires loaded? Tire tread? Gravel, dirt, or blacktop? How low is the first gear on the Cub?

4x4. Tire tread? Any extra weight carried? 

Tough to answer without all the facts.  :(


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Posted October 10, 2016 - 07:50 AM

I'll wait for the video... Should be a good one. :thumbs:


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Posted October 10, 2016 - 07:55 AM

Hp isn't always an advantage when compared to torque. The gearing and the weight factor will be an advantage.


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Posted October 10, 2016 - 08:06 AM

Tractor. Rear tires loaded? Tire tread? Gravel, dirt, or blacktop? How low is the first gear on the Cub?

4x4. Tire tread? Any extra weight carried? 

Tough to answer without all the facts.  :(

Been answered in his post.   The tractor is a gear drive and the 4 wheeler is a sip-o-matic and geared much higher.  Dead sled pull are done on dirt, never heard of one on blacktop or gravel, regardless that part would be equal for both units.  Start with a loose chain and watch that 4 wheeler squirm like a snake in the grass backwards.  Just my opinion.  Only one way to settle it.  Best 2 out of 3.


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Posted October 10, 2016 - 08:11 AM

The Honda Foreman 750 has a tow-rating of 850lbs --manufacturer specifications.

The Farmall won't even get out of bed in the morning to tow 850lbs.  It's tow-rating is somewhere between 1,500 and 1,600 lbs, based on the Nebraska Tractor Tests: Circa 1947 and 1946

You also have weight, (Stock, dry Cub weight is close to 1,500lbs, and some weigh upwards of 2,800lbs, depending on the equipment they were ordered with) gearing, tire height, drawbar height, and tread to your advantage.  

It's like comparing the tow capacity of a Dodge Neon (132-230hp) to that of a Case MX80C (82hp).


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Posted October 10, 2016 - 08:16 AM

He doesnt disagree that id pull him in a tug of war, but he thinks pulling a dead sled (basically steel with weight dragging over the dirt) he could move more.

My opinions pretty much aligned with yours, i know what that little tractor is capable of, but he thinks anything built before the year 2000 is junk lol.

Maybe ill cut an old heating oil barrel in half and fill some 55 gal drums with water or dirt....and of course...set up a camera
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Posted October 10, 2016 - 08:20 AM

It's going to look a lot like this: https://youtu.be/kA0E7kRhd6M


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Posted October 10, 2016 - 08:26 AM

olcowhand, on 10 Oct 2016 - 08:30 AM, said:

I'm going Cub. Tires, weight, and gearing all on it's side.

 

I'm thinking the same thing.

 

Weight and traction will overcome HP any day as this vid proves.

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=BeDLX9hzPoA

 

ETA:  Looks like MiCarl found the vid before I did  :D :D :D


Edited by OldBuzzard, October 10, 2016 - 08:27 AM.


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Posted October 10, 2016 - 09:10 AM

Quads aren't made for pulling.


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Posted October 10, 2016 - 09:39 AM

Horse power doesn't matter it's all about weight and gearing I only now this do to are 464h John Deere when it Brock down on a up hill road




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