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Windshield Washer Fluid vs. RV antifreeze

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#1 Mark 149 J. ONLINE  

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Posted October 03, 2016 - 11:23 AM

A little background information:

 

I'm writing about this topic because of a discussion on one of my other posts.  I'm wanting to put ballast in my rear tires because I have a front end loader on my GT.  The discussion can be found here http://gardentractor...-22#entry716517.  To sum it up I don't want to use windshield washer fluid because it is flammable.   I was thinking about using RV antifreeze instead or Rimguard (beet juice).  Some were surprised that washer fluid was flammable so I thought that I would do a new post to help people be more aware.

 

 

I was at Walmart today and looked at the Windshield washing fluid.  Here is what the labels of Prestone, RainX, and the Walmart brand say:

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All of them say "Flammable" which is why I don't want to use it as ballast. 

I also looked at a couple of brands of RV antifreeze and the Walmart brands said "Flammable" but the Prestone did not.  The Prestone RV antifreeze is $4.65 a gallon (Rimguard is $4.50 gallon at local tire shop) but it does contain anticorrosive additives to protect your rims.  My biggest concern is safety.  I just want people to be aware that windshield washing fluid can be dangerous and to considered this when using it for a ballast in your tires.  The right RV antifreeze is more expensive but it might be worth the extra cost.

This is my $0.02 worth.


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Posted October 03, 2016 - 12:10 PM

Sounds like rim guard is the better choice, because it is also heavier. Thats  my 2 cents.


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Posted October 03, 2016 - 12:26 PM

Sounds like rim guard is the better choice, because it is also heavier. Thats  my 2 cents.

It's going to be my choice as well but not everyone will have Rim guard available in their areas that's why I wanted everyone to know about the RV antifreeze.


Edited by Mark 149 J., October 03, 2016 - 12:27 PM.

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Posted October 03, 2016 - 12:40 PM

It might say flammable on the label but I don't know what a person would have to do to try to get it to burn.If you have a burning paper towel,you can put it out with a spritzer bottle with -20 washer fluid so I am not sure what your concerns are with using it in a tire.


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Posted October 03, 2016 - 12:49 PM

  There's so much CYA on product info anymore it makes you wonder what is safe anymore.

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Posted October 03, 2016 - 12:51 PM

:yeah_that:  :iagree:  I just got done loading the rear tires of a Ford 6610 with 210 gallons of washer fluid for a customer.  I saw the flammable sticker on the barrels and was a little concerned myself so I looked on youtube and there's videos of people trying to make it burn and it won't.  I put some in a metal can and tried using the oxy/acetlene torch and it just melted the can.  The alcohol is flammable but there isn't a high enough concentration of it to make it easily ignite with a spark.  I just kind of figured that the warning was on the label because at some point there is or was a person that was able to make it ignite and they blew something up.                 Stewart


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Posted October 03, 2016 - 12:58 PM

I got it to burn in a can but it wasn't real impressive. I work in a collision shop and on alot of front end hits the washer bottle is broken and the fluid was sent all over the hot engine, I've yet to see one burnt to the ground from washer fluid. It might be flammable but the chances are better that you get in a gun fight with terrorists and hit by lightning on the same day than a fire starting from washer fluid filled tires.
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Posted October 03, 2016 - 05:59 PM

It's another one of those gov't requirements to cover people's butts


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Posted October 03, 2016 - 06:20 PM

Rocks are flammable and steel is also in fact almost everything will burn it is just a matter of flash point. While in the Navy I found out that even the fire bottle we used to extinguish engine fires could ignite given the right circumstances, magnesium fire will never go out and burns extremely hot.
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Posted October 03, 2016 - 06:28 PM

Winshield washer fluid contains 5-15% Isopropyl alcohol depending on freezing temp rating.

 

RV antifreeze contains up to 5% of Isopropyl alcohol but is suspended in the Propylene Glycol/De-ionized Water solution so it's flash point will be Much higher then the Winshield washer fluid.

 

Bad thing is that Propylene Glycol is very very hard on Tires.It pulls the oils out of the tires which dries them out and causes them to weather check and crack.Propylene Glycol was 1st introduced as an industrial grade Solvent because of it's abilities to absorb chemicals.

 

That's why all of the newer radiator hoses have a PVC (polyvinyl chloride) based or silicon rubber inner liner.As it does not affect those nearly as fast as a just a rubber hose.

 

These tires had RV antifreeze in them.I pulled them off to try to patch where 1 of them was leaking through a crack in the tread but the patch would not hold.After I got both tires off and cleaned up I seen how bad they were cracked up and decided to put other tires on the rims.Rims looked real good.Still had most of the paint on them.This is what RV antifreeze does to a 4 ply Good Year tire in roughly 10-12 years.

 

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Posted October 03, 2016 - 06:46 PM

Rim Guard at 11 lbs per gallon is the way to go and save for your tires.


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Posted October 03, 2016 - 07:31 PM

Regular green antifreeze is also flammable. It has to be an extremely fine mist under the exact right conditions. I've seen heavy trucks burned from an engine coolant fire but it is rare. Typically to get the fine mist requires very high pressure. I'd wager that you can't get there in a garden tractor tire.
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Posted October 03, 2016 - 09:23 PM

It's another one of those gov't requirements to cover people's butts

  Yep, like I said : CYA.

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Posted October 03, 2016 - 09:33 PM

 A lot of great points have been made so far!  When I think back (20+ years) to the bottle of windshield washer fluid that I blew up at the GM dealer (which is why I didn't want to use windshield fluid) I realized something.  The AC Delco bottle was concentrated.  We always had to add water to it.  That would explain why it blew-up so violently.  It was closer to 30 to 40 percent alcohol. 

I did learn something about RV antifreeze and tires.  They don't mix either, unless you like to spend money on tires every couple of years. :smilewink:


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Posted October 03, 2016 - 10:15 PM

I understand all the concerns & worth thinking about but how is this any more dangerous than a tank of gas sitting in front of us over a hot engine producing hot exhaust & sometimes flames.
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