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Posted October 03, 2016 - 09:26 AM

The one thing I think I appreciate the most about Linux and open source is it gives you the freedom of choice. In most things you have the choice to use something else more suited for your needs.  If you don't like the way a Distro does something move on to another Distro.  If a certain application doesn't work for you there is usually another app that will do the same thing and may work better for you.

 

I can't really complain about Windows, I made a good living using Windows for database development, before retirement.  But it was always nice to come home and use Linux at night and not have to worry about all the nastiies out there.  Linux has come a long way from when I started with it.


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Posted October 04, 2016 - 05:12 PM

I went to Ubuntu about 4 years ago. Currently running 16.4 LTS. It does most anything I need to do with a computer. I have one Windows computer a laptop with Windows 7 and the only thing I need that for is to download the updated Maps for my Garmin GPS. Garmin still does not support Linux.
I don't feel that Linux has a real steep learning curve if you use an OS like Mint which is very Windows like.
I would suggest trying Mint on a DVD or USB drive or even dual boot alongside windows. You may enjoy it.
Remember we are always here to give you a hand.

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Posted October 11, 2016 - 07:02 PM

I must not use computers the same as everyone else.  I do not use them for work other than excel and opening PDFs.  But seriously, I have no problems with Windows 10.  Works great, I turn on my computer, I download my stuff, I watch movies, watch youtube, and turn it off till I am ready to use it again.  Which isn't often as 99% of the time I use my phone and tablet.

 

Never have any issues, it works just fine.  I did dislike the interface of windows 8 a lot.  Much preferred XP, but now I really like Windows 10.


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Posted October 12, 2016 - 09:54 AM

I must not use computers the same as everyone else.  I do not use them for work other than excel and opening PDFs.  But seriously, I have no problems with Windows 10.  Works great, I turn on my computer, I download my stuff, I watch movies, watch youtube, and turn it off till I am ready to use it again.  Which isn't often as 99% of the time I use my phone and tablet.

 

Never have any issues, it works just fine.  I did dislike the interface of windows 8 a lot.  Much preferred XP, but now I really like Windows 10.

 

 

The issue with Win 10 is not the interface or what you see, it's what you don't see or know what is going on behind the scenes.  The no other spyware can rival the spyware M$ has put into Win 10.  Right now M$ is building a database from what Win 10 is reporting back on all your habit, surfing preferences, and can even listen in to conversations close at hand, even if the computer is supposedly shut down.  The only way for sure you know it is shut down is to unplug it.  Everyone complains about the NSA but the NSA has nothing on M$ when it comes to spying on their customers.  Why do you think that M$ went to such underhanded tricks to get people to upgrade to Win 10?  Just think what that data is worth that they are collecting on you and everyone who uses Win 10.  You can shut some of the feed back features down supposedly but it has been proven that you can't stop all of it.  

 

You pay good $$$ to protect your computer from viruses, malware, spyware etc, but yet the very OS you are using is the worlds biggest spyware and they are doing it legally!  M$ has a long history of anti-trust and under handed tactics and this is just one more.  Yes you got win 10 for free but you are paying for it with your privacy and freedom.  Just think about all those who were tricked into the upgrade and don't know how to revert back.  They lost their freedom of choice. 


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Posted October 12, 2016 - 09:55 AM

The issue with Win 10 is not the interface or what you see, it's what you don't see or know what is going on behind the scenes. The no other spyware can rival the spyware M$ has put into Win 10. Right now M$ is building a database from what Win 10 is reporting back on all your habit, surfing preferences, and can even listen in to conversations close at hand, even if the computer is supposedly shut down. The only way for sure you know it is shut down is to unplug it. Everyone complains about the NSA but the NSA has nothing on M$ when it comes to spying on their customers. Why do you think that M$ went to such underhanded tricks to get people to upgrade to Win 10? Just think what that data is worth that they are collecting on you and everyone who uses Win 10. You can shut some of the feed back features down supposedly but it has been proven that you can't stop all of it.

You pay good $$$ to protect your computer from viruses, malware, spyware etc, but yet the very OS you are using is the worlds biggest spyware and they are doing it legally! M$ has a long history of anti-trust and under handed tactics and this is just one more. Yes you got win 10 for free but you are paying for it with your privacy and freedom. Just think about all those who were tricked into the upgrade and don't know how to revert back. They lost their freedom of choice.

I don't doubt you but that sounds like some huge conspiracy theory.



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Posted October 12, 2016 - 03:09 PM

I don't doubt you but that sounds like some huge conspiracy theory.



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No conspiracy theory.  Just check out the tech sites or some ofl the articles Travis has been posting.  It is a fact that Windows 10 reports back to M$ with just about everything you do in the name of user experience.  Check with some of the people here on GTT who had their systems up dated to window 10 without their permission or because they used the red X to shut down the nag screen and it updated.   Back around 2008 (not real sure about the date) DOJ took M$ to court on anti-trust charges which brought out how they bullied the computer companies into only installing windows. This is a matter of public record. Then they came up with this secure boot to try and eliminate installing another OS so once again they would be dominate.  Now with Windows 10 and their privacy invasion.  From what I know some of the reporting can be turned off but the CEO of M$ himself said that not all could be.

 

Years ago a Linux distro did something similar but not on the magnitude Windows 10 does. When it came out, which didn't take long, the distro shut down with in a short period of time like a month if that.  The Linux community won't stand for such a invasion.

 

Some pleasure reading for you.

 

http://gardentractor...ind-windows-10/

 

http://lifehacker.co...ally-1722267229

 

http://www.slate.com..._plug_them.html

 

http://thenextweb.co...07/29/wind-nos/

 

http://betanews.com/...s-your-privacy/


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Posted October 15, 2016 - 07:42 AM

With MS, money HAS to be made somewhere and in our present reality, more money can be made with "big data" that by selling the product.  Here's the way I see it...

 

MS is now making money by "anonymously" tracking your actions and feeding products or ads to you subversively.  I suspect the only way to really avoid that is an enterprise version of Win10.  

 

Yous gotta pays to plays... with M$ you get a free OS with ads and more perceived freedom.  With a Mac you pay more for the product, deal with more restrictions and don't get the ads.  With Linux, you get freedom but there is potential to encounter more problems or quirks.  In my case, I go for the latter two and keep the first one around because it is just part of our reality.

Ultimately, you pick your poison


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Posted December 04, 2016 - 05:03 PM

You guys are a whole lot more computer savvy than I ever will be.  I had it for a week on a auto run CD .   May be a lot of guys willing to help but they all talk a different language (Linux) that I don't understand.  I don't mess with open source software or tool chains (what ever that is).  Just run the programs that I have installed and go to the web site I want  with no problem.  Guess when I can't run W7 any more will take a strong look at Apple.  Will never ever try to use a phone for anything but phone calls.

 

Honestly, chieffan, if Windows is working for you, there's no reason to switch. I am a Computer Engineer, so knowing Linux is not optional for me.



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Posted December 05, 2016 - 08:29 AM

The issue with Win 10 is not the interface or what you see, it's what you don't see or know what is going on behind the scenes.  The no other spyware can rival the spyware M$ has put into Win 10.  Right now M$ is building a database from what Win 10 is reporting back on all your habit, surfing preferences, and can even listen in to conversations close at hand, even if the computer is supposedly shut down.  The only way for sure you know it is shut down is to unplug it.  Everyone complains about the NSA but the NSA has nothing on M$ when it comes to spying on their customers.  Why do you think that M$ went to such underhanded tricks to get people to upgrade to Win 10?  Just think what that data is worth that they are collecting on you and everyone who uses Win 10.  You can shut some of the feed back features down supposedly but it has been proven that you can't stop all of it.  

 

You pay good $$$ to protect your computer from viruses, malware, spyware etc, but yet the very OS you are using is the worlds biggest spyware and they are doing it legally!  M$ has a long history of anti-trust and under handed tactics and this is just one more.  Yes you got win 10 for free but you are paying for it with your privacy and freedom.  Just think about all those who were tricked into the upgrade and don't know how to revert back.  They lost their freedom of choice. 

 

 

Google/youtube is almost as bad, they track about everything you do and where you go. I heard google stores all your Gmail on a separate server and can go back and read them if they "need" to.

People get upset at me because I won't download the facebook app or worse, the messenger app, it's the most invasive app on the market getting into your personal info.


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Posted December 05, 2016 - 08:46 AM

Google/youtube is almost as bad, they track about everything you do and where you go. I heard google stores all your Gmail on a separate server and can go back and read them if they "need" to.

People get upset at me because I won't download the facebook app or worse, the messenger app, it's the most invasive app on the market getting into your personal info.

 

You got that right. About the only way you can have your privacy is to not do anything on line and use an old TV and a flip phone.  

 

The big difference between M$ and Google is M$ with Win 10 can actually spy on you without you being on line just by having your computer up. IMO that violates a trust you have in your OS being secure.  But I'm sure Google is working on a way to get the same info maybe through google chrome.  If all this wasn't bad enough now you have the TV makers phoning home to Mama on all that you are doing with your TV and I would not be surprised if they aren't listening in on your conversations.  Then you have all the apps on your phone that want permissions to invade all your contacts, pay infor etc.  Sure is a different world then I grew up in!


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Posted December 05, 2016 - 10:11 AM

You got that right. About the only way you can have your privacy is to not do anything on line and use an old TV and a flip phone.  

 

The big difference between M$ and Google is M$ with Win 10 can actually spy on you without you being on line just by having your computer up. IMO that violates a trust you have in your OS being secure.  But I'm sure Google is working on a way to get the same info maybe through google chrome.  If all this wasn't bad enough now you have the TV makers phoning home to Mama on all that you are doing with your TV and I would not be surprised if they aren't listening in on your conversations.  Then you have all the apps on your phone that want permissions to invade all your contacts, pay infor etc.  Sure is a different world then I grew up in!

 

Yep, sure is.

I had read that some TV manufacturers had microphone or even built in cameras that most consumers don't even know about and they can turn on remotely? I know it happens on laptops also.

That's a bunch of garbage.


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Posted December 06, 2016 - 01:21 PM

Yep, sure is.

I had read that some TV manufacturers had microphone or even built in cameras that most consumers don't even know about and they can turn on remotely? I know it happens on laptops also.

That's a bunch of garbage.

 

This is one of the main intrusion points critics have against Win 10.  If you have a mic, a webcam on your PC, or laptop they can eves drop all in the name of customer convenience.   As long as we, the customers, put up with it they will continue to do this type of thing weather it be computers, TV's, phones etc.

 

Last night was a milestone for us.  My wife moved off of windows and we are now totally 100% Linux.  No Smart TV, we use Roku and I have a computer media center set up for streaming.  The only snooping issue we have left to deal with is the phone's.   :dancingbanana:



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Posted December 06, 2016 - 03:20 PM

 

Last night was a milestone for us.  My wife moved off of windows and we are now totally 100% Linux.  No Smart TV, we use Roku and I have a computer media center set up for streaming.  The only snooping issue we have left to deal with is the phone's.   :dancingbanana:

 

We are looking into the streaming thing now for TV/movies. Looking into buying a small CPU and loading on KODI and other stuff I need. Just gotta learn how to get the OS programmed on the one I am looking at then I can possibly do it. If I can, I will be getting rid of Directv and putting these in the house.



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Posted December 07, 2016 - 11:08 AM

On our Main TV we have the computer which is running Kodi, a Roku box to stream Netflex and Hulu, and DirectTV (Haven't been able to get the wife to let go of it. Yet! )

The big issue with streaming, for us, has been local TV stations, but I have found most of our big local station now have Roku channels for news and weather.  There are 2 OS's (that I know of) that specialize with running just Kodi  LibreElec and OpenElect.  I have LibreElec on a 16GB USB stick and it does quite well. LibreElec is a fork off OpenElec. OpenElec does have hardware for sale so you may want to check out, it may make things a bit more simpler for you.  Also check out Wireless Shark it has additional Kodi Add-on's.



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Posted December 07, 2016 - 12:37 PM

On our Main TV we have the computer which is running Kodi, a Roku box to stream Netflex and Hulu, and DirectTV (Haven't been able to get the wife to let go of it. Yet! )

The big issue with streaming, for us, has been local TV stations, but I have found most of our big local station now have Roku channels for news and weather.  There are 2 OS's (that I know of) that specialize with running just Kodi  LibreElec and OpenElect.  I have LibreElec on a 16GB USB stick and it does quite well. LibreElec is a fork off OpenElec. OpenElec does have hardware for sale so you may want to check out, it may make things a bit more simpler for you.  Also check out Wireless Shark it has additional Kodi Add-on's.

 

Thanks for info. I haven't left Direct yet, my elderly mother lives with us, many the stations she likes to watch are of course the ones that only come with the upper end channel packages. :wallbanging:  :wallbanging:

 

My wife works with a guy who programs his own OS and Kodi, he said he can help me if I get in a bind or may even do it for us.

Other than my mom, we don't even watch the locals. I thought if we like the Kodi and a TV channel app, we will get rid of Direct and just get basic cable for mom and she if she will be okay. I'm actually going to have her write down all the channels she watches for a couple days and see if we even need the high end package






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