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#1 york0060 OFFLINE  

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Posted September 07, 2016 - 08:41 AM

 I gave my 318 a little work out this weekend. I bet if you would try to pull around a 2000 lb trailer with a load of brush on it , you wouldn't have a garden tractor very long.

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Posted September 07, 2016 - 09:57 AM

Awesome!
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Posted September 07, 2016 - 11:13 AM

Going to be honest, you won't have that one very long if you do that kind of stuff all the time with it, too --though our modern Cadet XT3s will likely pull that one around for just as long.

People get upset because the new "garden tractors" can't do what the old ones could.

Well, if people wouldn't under-buy, it wouldn't be an issue.  

If you want a tractor that is meant to handle that kind of load, pony up the $10-20K for a SCUT --don't blame Cub Cadet for making crap equipment when you pin a $1500 lawn mower under a 2k rated trailer.  

Just my $0.02

But, the important part is, you got some seat time --and it's a good looking machine.  Hahaha.  

I remember pulling around my 18' tandem axle with my Sears Custom 8 whenever I was younger.  

I remember pulling my dad's Chevy 2500HD Dually out of a ditch with that same tractor, too.


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Posted September 07, 2016 - 12:15 PM

Heres one thing i dont understand...howcome in the day a 12 or 14hp tractor was king of the hill, now everything is 20+ and really do nothing better...even mow thick grass?
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Posted September 07, 2016 - 01:03 PM

I was diggin potatoes the other day with my 12hp ford. I use a middle buster type plow to dig. Just had engine above idle a bit. Worked fine lots of power.

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Posted September 07, 2016 - 01:32 PM

I was diggin potatoes the other day with my 12hp ford. I use a middle buster type plow to dig. Just had engine above idle a bit. Worked fine lots of power.

Noel


My dad has a 48 farmall cub, rated at 10hp. Granted, its heavier and im sure geared different then a garden tractor, but i know foe a fact itll pull circles around any modern garden "tractor" with 20-25hp.

Guess new horses are lazy? :/ lol
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Posted September 07, 2016 - 01:40 PM

Heres one thing i dont understand...howcome in the day a 12 or 14hp tractor was king of the hill, now everything is 20+ and really do nothing better...even mow thick grass?

 

This has been discussed many times. True today's engines are over powered because they are designed to run WOT and have very little torque. So if they were downsized to lower HP and you put a slightly heavy load on it, they would bog down instead of chug on through like the old thumpers. Same reason why my 12 kubota will out perform 20 hp gassers.


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Posted September 07, 2016 - 02:11 PM

This has been discussed many times. True today's engines are over powered because they are designed to run WOT and have very little torque. So if they were downsized to lower HP and you put a slightly heavy load on it, they would bog down instead of chug on through like the old thumpers. Same reason why my 12 kubota will out perform 20 hp gassers.

There are also differences in the way horsepower is rated, as well as fuel efficiency standards.


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Posted September 07, 2016 - 02:45 PM

Going to be honest, you won't have that one very long if you do that kind of stuff all the time with it, too --though our modern Cadet XT3s will likely pull that one around for just as long.

People get upset because the new "garden tractors" can't do what the old ones could.

Well, if people wouldn't under-buy, it wouldn't be an issue.  

If you want a tractor that is meant to handle that kind of load, pony up the $10-20K for a SCUT --don't blame Cub Cadet for making crap equipment when you pin a $1500 lawn mower under a 2k rated trailer.  

Just my $0.02

But, the important part is, you got some seat time --and it's a good looking machine.  Hahaha.  

I remember pulling around my 18' tandem axle with my Sears Custom 8 whenever I was younger.  

I remember pulling my dad's Chevy 2500HD Dually out of a ditch with that same tractor, too.

I don't use it this hard very often, That's why I took a picture of it. Usually it will push snow or base rock around and pull the yard vac in the fall.


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Posted September 07, 2016 - 03:05 PM

This has been discussed many times. True today's engines are over powered because they are designed to run WOT and have very little torque. So if they were downsized to lower HP and you put a slightly heavy load on it, they would bog down instead of chug on through like the old thumpers. Same reason why my 12 kubota will out perform 20 hp gassers.

 

 

There are also differences in the way horsepower is rated, as well as fuel efficiency standards.

 

One other thing to remember is the design of mower decks.  Many older mower decks didn't create much of a vacuum.  Newer mower decks are higher vacuum and thus use more horsepower to cut and mulch the grass.


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Posted September 07, 2016 - 06:03 PM

  I'd be more concerned about the hydro tranny than the rest of the tractor.

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Posted September 07, 2016 - 06:51 PM

Actually, it probably takes more effort to pull a 10" or 12" plow than to pull a trailer loaded like in the OP.

 

With a trailer all you have to overcome is the initial rolling resistance. After that it takes a lot less power to keep it rolling.

 

I've used my HDT1000 to pull my landscape trailer with my 1886 Forklift loaded on it, and it pulled easier than a 12" plow. The forklift is in the neighborhood of 2000#, and the trailer is probably another 1500# or so.

 

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I've pulled roughly 2300# on a deadweight sled, and it pulled a LOT harder than either the loaded trailer or the 12" plow.


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Posted September 07, 2016 - 08:48 PM

I like the way old decks cut the grass thou. I'm not much for this vacuum and wind rowing the grass. But , the decks of today would need more hp to run them.

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Posted September 08, 2016 - 04:17 AM

Hi

Like your picture of your unit and what it can do

Here is a picture of my Gutbrod 1032 and 2 ton trailer with some logs in it

The Gutbrod is 12 hp with a diff lock if needed

Keep well

Trailer of logs.jpg


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Posted September 08, 2016 - 07:11 AM

I was diggin potatoes the other day with my 12hp ford. I use a middle buster type plow to dig. Just had engine above idle a bit. Worked fine lots of power.

Noel

Revvin' up the engine will give you more cooling.

 


With a trailer all you have to overcome is the initial rolling resistance. After that it takes a lot less power to keep it rolling.

 

How about decelerating or braking? That's another load on the trans.






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