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#46 oldcuz OFFLINE  

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Posted September 08, 2016 - 09:32 AM

Tater195 - Thanks for the info I will check into the shaft adapter that would
solve the engine problem if it doesn't change the shaft diameter I think these
kohler shafts are 1" I have a pulley off of a onan engine 1 1/8" for multiple
belts if the adapter did not add more than a 1/8" just have to see how it goes.

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Posted September 08, 2016 - 04:19 PM

%The electric PTO setup was just a toggle switch on the dash. The manual PTO used the lever on the dash to move a linkage on the engine cradle that pulled the PTO pulley tight against a cone clutch band attached to the transmission drive pulley.
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Posted September 08, 2016 - 08:00 PM

Leonard VanCamp - Thanks for that info on the PTO this project is definitely
going to be a learning experience, I may have a engine cradle located I will
know tomorrow then I can mount my pump motor and get it running so I can sell it
and find a motor that will work hopefully.

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Posted September 08, 2016 - 09:31 PM

If I think about it this weekend I'll take pictures on how the manual PTO is setup on my 212 and the electric PTO is setup on my 316 so you can get a idea on how each one looks.
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Posted September 09, 2016 - 10:11 AM

Leonard VanCamp - The photos would be great I have better luck when I have
something to look at and actually see how it works or put together

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Posted September 09, 2016 - 08:42 PM

No progress on the 210 today no luck on the engine cradle I have one more place
to check locally if he don't have it on to plan B did do some work on the SS/Twin
hood nose its going to work again eventually won't have the original look but
a lot stronger that's what these nose pieces lack is strength.

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Posted September 10, 2016 - 10:28 AM

Thought I knew what I needed as far as engine cradle goes but I don't need
anything but a little more knowledge some of you may have mentioned about the
type of mounts I had and even sent a photo it just did not click for me, I was
watching a youtube video on a engine swap a k241 to a k301 in a 210 and there
it was the same mounts I have on mine 2 pieces front and rear supports and my
pump motor oil pan is just way to narrow to bolt to them no way it would fit in
my tractor that was where I thought there was a third bracket that would bolt to
the motor then to my two supports I guess the other bracket in the parts catalog
diagram #8 that I thought was the missing center bracket is it a complete engine
cradle for a different PTO setup ? anyway glad that drama is over.

I think I will sit the pump motor on the Sears Twin and see how far the tapered
shaft sets past the frame edge if its far enough to where the straight part of
the shaft will line up with my drive belt I got a motor for the Sears I just need
one pulley anyway to make it go, hope it will work.

No I think I will use my measuring tape before I drag that motor out of the
building its heavy.

I know what I need for the 210 now and the search is on for the right engine
found some older 10-12hp kohlers I guess I can measure the distance between the
support brackets if they the same and they have a fuel pump or do all the kohler
engine's have a fuel pump then I can move forward

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Posted September 10, 2016 - 10:32 AM

Still got a lot of things I can be doing to the 210 while I am waiting on a motor
and save up a couple dollars to get one I will keep you posted on my progress

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Posted September 10, 2016 - 12:23 PM

The front mount attaches to the ears on the block and the rear mount attaches to the pan.  In the attached pics you can see the difference. The middle pic shows the blocks with the ears compared to the wide block used in some Cubs.

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Posted September 10, 2016 - 02:59 PM

More digging:

 

Acording to JDParts, the one piece cradle (#8) in the pics was used as follows:

 

AM34866 = up to 70000 on 210/212/214

 

AM36830 = 70001 to 80000 on 210/212/214

 

 

 

Acording to JDParts, the two piece setup (16 & 17) was used as follows:

 

 

#16 - AM37320 = 80001 and up (REAR) (210, 212, 214 AND 216)

#17 - AM37319 = 80001 and up (FRONT) (210, 212, 214 AND 216)

 

 

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Posted September 10, 2016 - 03:01 PM

Unless you provided it and I missed it, the serial number below the steering wheel will be key on figuring out what is correct.  I suspect the machine serial number is in the 70001-80000 range but that is an educated guess from the pics and info on JDParts.


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Posted September 11, 2016 - 11:46 AM

Trav1s - the tapered shaft motor that came with the 210 it does not have any
ears cast on the block there are four places to bolt it to something on the oil
pan its self is mine what you would call a narrow block ?

I would have to say the 2pc mounts I have goes with this tractor cause the
replacement motor he got will not work and these mounts surely would not have
been on it #16 #17 He must have threw away everything he thought would not be
used like the original engine PTO parts don't know what he was thinking did not
have nothing to go by is probably why he got a pump motor instead the right one

Its a 1980 C210J / 120001 - 155000

Thanks for your help you sure know your engines, does those number's tell you
what engine I need ?

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Posted September 11, 2016 - 08:37 PM

I'd guess it is the narrow block but cannot tell without seeing the bottom.  I have been trying to look up the specs on the engine from the stickers on the tins that you posted but keep thinking it looks like those are Deere tins stuck on another block.  

From what I see I cannot tell if it is a K241, a K301, or K321 all of which use 9 head bolts.  K341 uses 10 head bolts.  


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Posted September 11, 2016 - 09:07 PM

Trav1s - the numbers on the pump motor that came with it is
K241 AS 2159852
Spec# 46608D
That what's on the cover I'll post a photo of the bottom of the pump motor tomorrow

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Posted September 13, 2016 - 09:06 PM

Hello and I would like to thank everyone that helped, commented, viewed, loved,
hated my posted Got a Little Green on it I have decided to put what parts that
came with the 210 on it so I don't lose or trip over them I will leave the
pump motor and deck off and maybe clean and paint it later.

But not having the right engine or the funds to buy another one right now and the
old tractor is not ready at least in my eyes for a full restoration and even if
it was I would still install the right engine and get it running and everything
working before a restoration then take it apart paint it put it together done.

The less time its apart the less chance of losing something like before I got
it, sit in a fairly clean shop and all kinds of little parts have disappeared
for good like the air cleaner, all the throttle linkage, voltage regulator,
even the old engine which probably had all these parts on it or close to it,
seat, brackets, PTO parts gone and all those parts add up when you got to have
them.

So I am putting it on hold for a minute start saving for a engine buy some of
those little parts paint the wheels done got the paint for that.

Still got the Suburban to repower and it still needs a lot of TLC, still need
to get the 210 pump motor that came with it running and sold to help finance the
new used 210 engine so that's where I'm at, the folks here at GTtalk are
passionate about these little tractors and are willing to help and share their
information so everyone can enjoy this hobby. Thank you for all the help everyone

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