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#16 Trav1s ONLINE  

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Posted September 06, 2016 - 03:49 PM

This is the image from JD parts but a serial number would help figure this out.

 

 

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Posted September 06, 2016 - 04:53 PM

I had a 10hp kohler pump motor and it had a tapered shaft like that.
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Posted September 06, 2016 - 04:56 PM

Was thinking and aren't the K engines in Deere and Cubs all with the "small" pan and don't have the mount feet sticking out ?  SO, can't see in the pix, but what does this one have? That would make engine NOT fit the support correct and not sit at correct level and so-on. So, maybe right mount, in wrong spot tho, and the engine is diff pan and is making it a problem?  Some of those same mounts are cut out in center to allow the pan to drop thru it and get to the oil plug and such, also changing the mount position then.


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Posted September 06, 2016 - 05:48 PM

Deere used two blocks depending on the serial number.  I'd guess this one has the wrong cradle in it.  The diagram shows the differences and serial number will address which one is correct to the tractor.  


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Posted September 06, 2016 - 06:01 PM

Looks like a cradle for a 110 or 112. Another thing I notice is that it's a manual PTO tractor and the cradle is missing the linkage for the PTO. I have a 110 and a 212 and the manual PTO on both are two different setups.
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Posted September 06, 2016 - 06:43 PM

Here are some pictures of the engine I pulled from a 210 parts tractor.

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Darn cell phone!

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Edited by KennyP, September 06, 2016 - 06:51 PM.
Adjusted gravity!

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Posted September 06, 2016 - 10:52 PM

Sorry everyone I was trying to answer everyone that posted today in one post and
must have hit the wrong button and lost everything I was going to post so I
appreciate all your help and information, diagrams, comments, pictures, so I am
going to post my engine ID #s and what photos I took of the engine mounts today
and I'll go back and try to answer everyone later, everyone has some good
theories on this problem.
Kohler serial # K241 AS 2159852
Spec # 46608D

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Posted September 07, 2016 - 03:04 AM

Is it in backwards? Mount, not engine.

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Posted September 07, 2016 - 07:35 AM

Is it in backwards? Mount, not engine.

It would still be too short. those flimsy spacers wont hold up to much engine torque and will screw with belt adjustment



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Posted September 07, 2016 - 08:33 AM

I suspect it is a late 110/112 cradle.  Any way I look at it, to make it work you need the proper part and that can be figured out with the tractor serial number on the the pedestal below the dash.


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Posted September 07, 2016 - 12:58 PM

glgrumpy - well sir even if I turn around the cradle wouldn't it still be to
short ?

tater195 - right it just looks to short could be the wrong cradle ?

Trav1s - if the 110 - 112 engine cradles are made like the 210 just shorter that
could be the problem the gentleman that changed the engine has passed away and I
don't have no idea what this engine came off of or if that is the cradle that
goes with this tractor, cradle might have came with that engine all I got with it
is what you see in the pictures. You also said that JD used two different blocks
is one longer than the other where the supports bolt to the mounting pad ?

glgrumpy - you said also of a difference in the pan size would that also effect
the mounting pad length ?

Leonard VanCamp - if the 110 - 112 cradles are made the same just a shorter
version that's a possible problem ?

truck21 - the supports in your photos seem to be what I have you was saying you
had a pump motor with the tapered shaft like mine and would this motor been used
for a pump and not for a garden tractor with shorter mounts ? a lot of pump
engines have a tapered shaft like on pressure washers.

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Posted September 07, 2016 - 01:23 PM

I think I'll pull the engine off today maybe it want get me down, truck21 was
saying my engine looked like a pump motor he had with the tapered shaft would
not think a garden tractor would have a tapered shaft that would be more for a
pump motor it may be wrong all together this cradle most likely came with that
motor a whole different application, anyway I can't move forward till I address
this problem any way it goes I'll have to pull the engine off.

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Posted September 07, 2016 - 03:15 PM

Talk to the guy you got it from. If they did the motor swap there, the old parts may be stuck in a corner somewhere.


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Posted September 07, 2016 - 04:08 PM

Talk to the guy you got it from. If they did the motor swap there, the old parts may be stuck in a corner somewhere.


I went threw the whole shop got everything I could find and the man I got it from did not do the engine
swap said he knew nothing about it I wish he did

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Posted September 07, 2016 - 05:04 PM

The 110 and 112 cradles are different from the 200 series. I have a 73 110 and a 75 212. My uncle has a 68 112 and a 75 214, all have manual PTO's. There is no way you can use a 100 series cradle in a 200 series, the manual PTO's are completely different in the linkage department. And as others have pointed out, the tapered shaft is completely wrong, seems like a mishmash of items there.




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