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#1 Sawdust OFFLINE  

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Posted July 08, 2016 - 07:11 PM

Just a little info this is our first year gardening here at our new place. I could only plow & disc one time late fall last year. I plowed again & disc several times this spring before planting.We have a lot of clay. We have brought in about 14,000 lb's of top soil as we needed it one scoop at a time on my trailer. We used this to make deep beds for everything to give the plants something to start in. This fall I want to add some cow manure, some sand & a cover crop. Next year I should have a good amount of compost aged enough to use as we plant.

My wife prefers the only gear drive GT I have. She picks a gear then hauls the mail....she says Hydros are too complicated.

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My 1954 Seed Planter. She can be expensive but well worth it.

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Well after a very slow start because of getting the seedlings started late this year we're seeing some progress. I can't believe after all this time of plants looking like they were just sitting there now everything is doing so well.  I don't normally stake tomatoes I usually put up posts about 6ft apart & run strings across about 6-8" apart & tie the plants to that.  My wife wanted to stake them this year. I got some 1x6 poplar & ripped enough for the tomatoes & teepees for the pole beans. Our pepper plants were so tiny when we put them out you couldn't hardly see them. It seems like none of the seeds we started done very well. We have always started our own seeds but maybe not next year....it was expensive & a lot of trouble. Our corn took a shot from the hard rain today but we kind of straightened it back up but it will survive. We have squash & zucchini in between one corn row.We had some problems with rabbits eating the beets. I put a radio in the middle of the garden like GL Grumpy suggested & this seems to be working well. I did have three that liked the radio but their eating heavenly beets now....BANG!  We only have one little guy that comes around but hasn't got in the garden so far. I plan on planting another crop of beets for fall harvest. Tomatoes vary from eating to sauce making kind, bush beans, hilled cucumbers for eating, pickling cucumbers on the fence for canned pickles, bell, banana, & jalapeno peppers, okra, beets, green onions, potatoes, & some flowers in various areas for controlling certain bugs. Still to plant are some more beets, cabbage, red onions, pumpkins & gourds for fall harvest, some various heirloom beans that were handed down from my wife's grand parents....these can be an interesting topic. I might start another thread on that to see what others have had.

 

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Picked a few new potatoes & last years canned green beans....very good!

 

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Our garden is 24x50 & has the sun coming up along the far long side & sets of coarse on the other long side...full day of sun. I noticed the corn at the south end is like stair steps in growth going north. I'm thinking of staggering the planting next year to prevent shading on one end. We might enlarge a little next year. I don't mind giving stuff away but I don't want to put out way too much. Once the plowing, disking & tilling is done we do everything else by hand. Next year I would like to fence it to keep the critters out. So far the deer just stroll by outside the white fence. I did have to shoo a few fawns out of one end before they got a taste. I may have to take Chiefans advice on the hot fence if I see any coons. Thanks for looking & Happy Gardening!

 

 


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Posted July 08, 2016 - 08:25 PM

those red taters sure look good. thanks for the pictures that sure is a nice garden


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Posted July 08, 2016 - 09:22 PM

Nothing better than fresh red taters and butter. Oh did I mention butter.

 

We are very familiar with red clay up here in the Fox Valley area of Wisconsin.  It needs to be plowed or deep tilled in the fall and just worked with a cultivator in the spring when dry enough.  Working deep or when wet in the spring brings up wetter soil that bake like a clay pot in the sun.  Very hard to work with the rest of the year.

Plant some annual rye or other annual cover crop after the crop is off and don't be scared to give it some nitrogen.  Urea 46-0-0 is fine. 100Lbs per acre. The rye will put roots down to near 40" and store all the nutrient it take up for your next years crop.  Working the top 4" of soil in the spring will control 90% of the rye plants but you may get a bit of seed that did not sprout the year before come in but in can be handled.  

You are right about getting some manure on there as well.  10 ton per acre is a good start and put it on and work it in before planting the rye grass.  Then the rye grass can use this manure and turn it into nutrients for next years crop.  Mixing sand in is OK but it would take so much that it would not be economical.  A cover crop will do so much more for you.

There are a lot of other cover crops you can use.  Oat and buckwheat, and then there are clovers and other legumes that fix nitrogen in the soil so you do not have to buy so much.  A mix of a grass and a legume compliment each other as the grass can use the N that the legume as producing.  It does not hurt to apply some nitrogen to this planting as well to help the grass till the legume gets going.


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Posted July 08, 2016 - 09:55 PM

Nothing better than fresh red taters and butter. Oh did I mention butter.

We are very familiar with red clay up here in the Fox Valley area of Wisconsin. It needs to be plowed or deep tilled in the fall and just worked with a cultivator in the spring when dry enough. Working deep or when wet in the spring brings up wetter soil that bake like a clay pot in the sun. Very hard to work with the rest of the year.
Plant some annual rye or other annual cover crop after the crop is off and don't be scared to give it some nitrogen. Urea 46-0-0 is fine. 100Lbs per acre. The rye will put roots down to near 40" and store all the nutrient it take up for your next years crop. Working the top 4" of soil in the spring will control 90% of the rye plants but you may get a bit of seed that did not sprout the year before come in but in can be handled.
You are right about getting some manure on there as well. 10 ton per acre is a good start and put it on and work it in before planting the rye grass. Then the rye grass can use this manure and turn it into nutrients for next years crop. Mixing sand in is OK but it would take so much that it would not be economical. A cover crop will do so much more for you.
There are a lot of other cover crops you can use. Oat and buckwheat, and then there are clovers and other legumes that fix nitrogen in the soil so you do not have to buy so much. A mix of a grass and a legume compliment each other as the grass can use the N that the legume as producing. It does not hurt to apply some nitrogen to this planting as well to help the grass till the legume gets going.


A lot of good info Ducky sounds like a good plan....thanks very much.

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Posted July 09, 2016 - 06:58 AM

Looks great, I may double my size next year I enjoy growing my own produce and the neighbors can't believe the success I have with it .


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Posted July 09, 2016 - 07:11 AM

Looks good Sawdust. I used grass clippings and leaves for organic material in our garden. Not a quick way though, probably took 8 years to get to where I wanted it.
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Posted July 09, 2016 - 11:02 AM

Looks good Sawdust. I used grass clippings and leaves for organic material in our garden. Not a quick way though, probably took 8 years to get to where I wanted it.


I did that at our old place & put some in the compost bins. I don't have a bagger for anything right now. The mulching blades chop it so fine I can't rake it either. I was thinking about rigging up a bagger for the push mower just to get a few loads for tge garden.
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Posted July 09, 2016 - 04:08 PM

Nice looking garden and you can tell your wife that I too prefer a GT with a standard transmission for turning dirt in the garden. Much easier to maintain a constant speed especially when tilling. :D 

Give me a foot controlled hydro for everything else.  :thumbs:


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Posted July 09, 2016 - 04:48 PM

I have been keeping my Husqvarna LT just for picking up clippings. It mows a good bit slower than the Gravely. I am kicking around the idea of getting a lawn sweeper for doing the pickup. And then get rid of the little LT.
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Posted March 28, 2017 - 03:35 PM

A few things better this year the hard clay of last year is a lot more manageable this year, we're planting earlier, & getting root crops out sooner. My wife follows the Farmers Almanac religiously so this past Saturday was the last day to plant root crops until two weeks later. It was a perfect day soil was manageable, sunny out & a whopping 70+ degrees along with a steady rain forecasted on Sunday.

 

I plowed, tilled & disked last year & tilled again late fall so this year all I done was disked it. Reading up on having clay soil seems like the suggestions are not to till deep or very often. This brings the hard working organisms to the top & they die....who knows sounds logical. Our garden this year is a little larger because I broke the ground up closer to the fence. I hated running the mower down a five foot path of grass & weeds next to the fence, now I'll just run the weed eater to keep the fence row clean. This gives us now a 30x50 area. We planted some white & yellow onion sets, radishes, carrots, & beets. We'll go back in about two weeks & plant more onions.

 

This was the first time I worked the Bolens H16, my go to garden tractor was usually my Sears SS15. I'll have to say I liked the Sears better. After about an hour of pulling the tandem disc with two cement blocks it started to bog down on me to the point it wouldn't pull it with the blocks. I was close to being done so I took the blocks off & run it for a short time to bring the temps down slowly. My guess is I'm leaking somewhere & pumping air but not showing any fluid anywhere other than a very small leak at the lift cylinder rod which is still a leak for air to get into the system. The Bolens is my grass cutter so when I get the Cub 1250 back together I'll break this one down & rebuild the pump. Sorry I got carried away this is suppose to be about my garden   :D

 

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Posted June 15, 2017 - 11:51 AM

Well this years garden had a few setbacks. We lost all 25 tomato plants & 15 various pepper plants due to a heavy frost around mothers day. We had a lot of rain too. We put up a fence this year to keep the rabbits out...they loved our beets last year. I messed up big time on setting the posts. We researched rabbit wire so much I thought we bought 36" high fencing but we bought 40" high. All my posts are a few inches short. I went around & screwed short pieces on top of the posts then screwed the remaining part of the 1x6 top rails to these. I'm going to wrap some pieces of the 1x6 around each joint so it can't be seen. This will make my post tops around 5" across so I can use some copper post tops I've had that are 51/2" across the base. The other mistake I made was I made the gate opening too small. My yard trailer I made is 42" wide so I thought 48" would be enough but I forgot the wheels are abought 50" across. I pulled the posts out & spread them to 56" so now I can back my trailer inside the garden. My wife & I had some "intense fellowship" on mounting the gate. She thought the gate angle should flow with the fence...not in a trim carpenters head. I gave in a little & fudged it her way a small amount. She kept saying the gates crooked but no the fence is going down hill so the gate needs to be level. She was my bubble reader while I set all the posts so now she's an expert on fences.

Our potatoes are doing very well with the exception of some potato beetles I dealt with for a few days. The second planting of tomato's are off to a good start. We're trying a couple of new ones this year called Abe Lincoln, & Purple Cherokee. The peppers are dragging along but staying green now. The peppers were turning yellow at the bottoms but not over watered. My wife uses Epson Salt a lot in the garden especially on tomatoes so she sprinkled a little around the base & they started showing some more green a few days later. This raises the magnesium level. We lost a couple of cabbage plants but the rest are doing well. The beets will soon be ready & plan on planting another row of those for a late crop. Carrots & radishes look good but a little small. Beans & cucumbers are emerging. We've had three plantings of green onions we eat them almost every day. The only thing we need to plant right now are some zucchini, & okra.

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Posted June 15, 2017 - 04:00 PM

That's one clean looking garden. 

I'm probably simple for asking this but how do you work your garden out to the edges with the fence in place?


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Posted June 15, 2017 - 09:16 PM

Awesome garden this year!!!  You will love the Cherokee Purple tomatoes, an ugly tomato but tastes like no other.  One word of advise, don't wait too long to pick, they rot out pretty fast.  Once they darken up and the shoulders stay green and your thumb easily presses in, pick them and ripen inside.  Otherwise, you may be us in our first years of growing  them, bugs got into them before we did.

 

Let me know how the rabbit fence works.  We were forced into putting a 36" one up this year, so far not much success.  He comes too late in the night to shoot, always between midnight and 3Am on the wildlife camera...and it's a big one!


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Posted June 16, 2017 - 05:35 AM

Your garden is a  work of art :worshippy1:  :worshippy1: :worshippy1:    I would be embarrassed for you to see mine . How many bales of straw does it take to cover it  ?   


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Posted June 16, 2017 - 09:26 AM

That's one clean looking garden.
I'm probably simple for asking this but how do you work your garden out to the edges with the fence in place?


I had already prepped the garden before the fence went in. I've had to use a hoe to keep the weeds down until we spread the straw. I feel like it will be a challenge at the end of the season plowing & discing. I'm thinking about getting one of those small tillers like a Mantas to do the weeding near the fence & in between the rows.
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