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#1 Greasy6020 OFFLINE  

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Posted June 13, 2016 - 12:18 PM

I'm looking to get a loader tractor, something to use for moving bales (small square bales, not rounds!) manure compost and dirt, and possibly some brush. Probably not much more than 300 pounds...

The options I have at my disposal are:
Massey ferguson 12
John deere 300
Craftsman something or other w/ hydro transmission.

I know where there is a loader, locally. My grandpa is a friend of the guy so I'm sure I can get a deal on the machine with the loader. From what I remember, the loader is hand crank winch operated.

If I put it on the john deere i will make it hydraulic possibly using the on board hydraulics, to keep things simple. Are the onboard hydraulics up to loader duty?

If I put it on the massey ferguson 12, I will also make it hydraulic, but I have to create a hydraulic system with a power steering pump etc. sounds like lots of work...

If I put it on a craftsman with the hydro, I will upgrade the alternator to something bigger, and make an electric operated winch system. I'd probably mount the loader controls on the hydro control handle, for simple control of everything.

Which out of these machines would be the best choice?

What should it run to create a hydraulic system for the massey ferguson 12?

The craftsman I am thinking of putting the loader on is a lt, I figure the front end will be needing to be beefed up. Any ideas?

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Posted June 13, 2016 - 12:28 PM

I had a winch bucket I used on my Wizard, it was a Swisher ATV bucket, worked well, so did my Johnny Bucket on my Craftsman GT5000, but full front end loader works best.image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg
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Posted June 13, 2016 - 12:31 PM

Personally I would eliminate anything with a hand hydro for a loader tractor.


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Posted June 13, 2016 - 12:38 PM

My Pow'rMax has hand control on the right and bucket on the left, I can operate both bucket functions at once with one hand, so it's not bad, but my MF 1855 with foot control was sweet.
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Posted June 13, 2016 - 01:07 PM

Rat's you said "small" square bales, I was going to post this picture

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Posted June 13, 2016 - 01:13 PM

What tractor is the loader on now? I would look at a tractor with hydraulic lift and put a homemade low bucket on it. There are plans around for the homemade low bucket somewhere in our Manuals Section or on www.Simpletractors.com . Good Luck, Rick


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Posted June 13, 2016 - 01:15 PM

I would suggest the heaviest stoutest looking one, I wouldn't use a lawn tractor, I had a loader/backhoe on a old Ford LGT145, the old thing fell into a pile one day. I broke 1 front spindle (several times) the frame was nothing but welds and the hydro was getting weak, I also converted it to hydraulic steering because the steering box broke. I ended up junking it because the frame had so much flex it kept taking out the drive shaft. I ended up selling the loader and I modified the backhoe over to my little 20hp Kubota.


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Posted June 13, 2016 - 01:26 PM

A 12v trim pump off an old boat works great..and mine will lift 350+pounds no problem.

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Posted June 13, 2016 - 04:22 PM

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Here's my 1655 that I'm currently installing a Johnson loader. I would say the Deere 300. Of those 3, it is built the strongest. It has 1" front axles and heavier steering. You could use the on board hydros but it would make the loader terribly slow. Plus will lack some on lifting power. You could consider something like a Johnny Bucket if you don't need the height. Would save you tons over cost of a complete loader setup.

I added a separate pump direct driven off my 1655 crankshaft. I used the pump and bracket from a Case GT which has more than enough hydraulic power and flow to run the loader.

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Posted June 13, 2016 - 10:03 PM

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Here's my 1655 that I'm currently installing a Johnson loader. I would say the Deere 300. Of those 3, it is built the strongest. It has 1" front axles and heavier steering. You could use the on board hydros but it would make the loader terribly slow. Plus will lack some on lifting power. You could consider something like a Johnny Bucket if you don't need the height. Would save you tons over cost of a complete loader setup.

I added a separate pump direct driven off my 1655 crankshaft. I used the pump and bracket from a Case GT which has more than enough hydraulic power and flow to run the loader.

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I had a look at the Johnny bucket setup, they want more than double what I payed for my john deere 300.

I'm too cheap for that...

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Posted June 13, 2016 - 10:14 PM

They are expensive and that's more than twice what I gave for my loader. I could see where they would be convenient though if all you did was move material. Easy on and off. The swisher bucket idea looks like a great idea.

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