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Posted April 26, 2016 - 08:58 PM

The John Deere #33 model tiller is the one that fits it, and you also will need the later model rear pto on the tractor to run the tiller.
Those rear weights sell on eBay for $150 to $200 per set of two. You can still buy them new from some John Deere dealers. I don't know that I would sell them, they are good to have, they help to provide traction

Yeah I wouldn't sell em. Just kinda three me off how much they were worth. I would like to hear more on this tiller and later model rear PTO. More so the rear PTO like what am I looking for exactly and does it bolt straight on or does some things need to be modified?

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Posted April 26, 2016 - 10:17 PM

JC 616:

 

I'll send you the PDFs of the manuals I have for the 33 tiller that goes on the 140. I bought them when I thought I might get one, many years ago.

 

But it will have to wait til morning, It's late and I need my "beauty" sleep.  :smilewink:

 

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Posted April 27, 2016 - 04:28 AM

Sounds good hdg4400. So if you add the rear PTO shaft to a tractor that didn't come with how do you engage it and do you need to add another hydraulic lever and ports on the rear?

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Posted April 27, 2016 - 08:32 AM

JC 616:

 

I think the info I am sending will address your questions, but if I remember correctly the rear PTO will run constantly when the tractor is running, because it connects to the back of the transmission. You control rear attachments with a lever that tightens an idler pulley from the PTO to the attachment (tiller, for example).  Also, I'm pretty sure you don't need rear hydraulics to raise and lower rear attachments. There is a lift rod/bar that connects to the rocker shaft under the tractor that's also used to raise and lower the mower deck and some other attachments.

 

But check out the Operator's Manual for specific info after I send it.

 

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Posted April 27, 2016 - 09:23 AM

Harlan is right - the rear PTO is live at all times.  The attachment engages when lowered and tightens the belts.  



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Posted April 27, 2016 - 10:37 AM

Thanks a lot Harlan you've really hooked me up big time on those manuals. I appreciate it very much.

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Posted April 27, 2016 - 10:39 AM

And I've found a couple local guys with rear ptos for this tractor. Apparently there's 2 different ones. One with a spline shaft and one with a smooth shaft with a collar and a set screw. Also found a tiller but its kinda rough.

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Posted April 27, 2016 - 11:05 AM

JC 616:

 

Check the back of your tractor. On my 140 it would have needed a splined shaft somewhat like on farm tractors where an implement such as a sickle mower connects for power. Except the rear PTO here has the shaft that fits into the back of the tranny and mounts on the flat hitch plate at the back of the tractor. There's usually a fan back under there, and I can't remember if you have to remove it or not.

 

The manuals have some pretty good instructions and pictures/drawings.

 

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Posted April 27, 2016 - 02:13 PM

The pump changed in 1971 at 30001 and the new PTO used from that point is the same as all 120s and closed frame 300 series (300/312/314/316K/317).  

 

There is a large amount of information for reference found here:  http://www.wfmachines.com/info/

The info for the 140 on that link is pasted below:

 

 

For the 1968 model year, Deere took on all comers with the all new model 140. Marketed to commercial users, truck farmers, nurserymen, and estate owners, it had the power and features to take on many tasks formerly relegated to larger equipment. Advertising of the day stated that the 140 could be purchased for roughly the same amount as "5-weeks wages of one good handyman". Based on an all-new design, the 1968 140 incorporated several new design features as standard never before used on a Deere Garden tractor:

  • Twelve horsepower, air cooled, Kohler model K301AS cast iron engine with Bendix style starter
  • Sundstrand hydrostatic transmission, unlimited forward speed to 6 > mph
  • Hydraulic attachment lift, with three spools optional (H3)
  • Quick -Tach style mounting of attachments 
  • Electromagnetic PTO clutch for front and center mounted attachments.
  • 1 > gallon fuel tank with gauge 
  • High back deeply cushioned seat adjustable for height and reach
  • Live rear power take off, used to operate the #33 tiller.

Introduced as a 12-horse model featuring the Kohler K310AS powerplant with a Bendix style starter, the 140 benefited from a hydrostatic transmission, allowing a seamless transition from forward to reverse travel, as well as static braking. A single large lever on the right side of the pedestal controlled this. The transmission was directly coupled to the engine via a steel driveshaft. A cone style clutch was provided to disconnect the engine from the transmission to aid in cold weather starting. For the 68 model year, this clutch was actuated by a single pedal on the left side of the tractor, which also applied the brakes. No provision was made to force the hydro lever back into the neutral position.


The hydrostatic transmission also afforded a new feature formerly only found on large farm tractors; hydraulic lift. The charge pump on the transmission fed a single spool valve on all models. The H3 models used the power beyond output of the single valve to supply pressurized oil to a separate two spool valve. The three levers on the left side of the pedestal were closely spaced to allow them to be "palmed". Pioneer style couplers were utilized on the front of the tractor to control attachments and an optional rear set of outlets powered a Category "0" three point hitch or other rear attachments. Deere advertised the ability to use multiple integral attachments at the same time, something the other manufacturers could not accommodate. The option of a front blade in conjunction with a rear mounted tiller was a popular choice.

Triple safe starting, a Deere feature from 1964 was incorporated on the 140. The PTO needed to be disengaged, the transmission in the neutral setting and the key be used before the tractor could be started. This feature was advertised by showing children playing and climbing on the tractor. Including sitting on the hood!

The model 140 H1 weighed approximately 730# with the H3 version tipping the scales at about 770#. The 140 was designed as a garden tractor, and as such, the work tools for it were heavily built. Deere designed options included:

  • Model 41 or 48 mower deck
  • Model 54 front blade with hydraulic lift standard and hydraulic angle optional
  • Model 49 front snow thrower with hydraulic lift
  • Model 33 rear tiller with a 26, 34, or 42 inch width and live PTO
  • Model 80 dump cart
  • Model 5a sprayer
  • Front and rear wheel weights
  • Tire chains, hub caps, cigarette lighter, and headlights
  • A Category "0" three point hitch
  • Tire equipment options
With a tractor the size of the 140, allied suppliers were quick to adapt it to their equipment. Front end loaders were available, as were groundsaws, post hole diggers, hard and soft sided enclosures, landscape rakes, numerous gardening tools like plows and discs, and other tools and attachments aimed at commercial users. A more comprehensive listing of these can be found in the allied attachments section of the site.

For 1969, the 140 received a 15% upgrade in power with a move to the 14 horsepower Kohler cast iron K321AS. Also new for the '69 model was individual rear brakes. These allowed sharper turns, as well as the ability to feather a wheel if it was spinning. A change a little more difficult to detect was a switch to a true three spool valve on the H3 models.
 

At Serial number 30001, for the 1971 model year a change was made in the type of hydrostatic unit used. This change incorporated a pinion and ring gear design rather than the bull gears used on previous models. The rear axle diameter was also increased. Rear brakes were changed for the disc type used up to this time to a more reliable drum brake system. Individual rear wheel brakes were retained on the H3 models.

Other changes were made throughout the run from the 1968 through 1974 model years. Additional John Deere attachments were added such as the 54C center mounted grader blade and the 542 front mounted PTO.


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Posted April 27, 2016 - 02:14 PM

 

 

Serial number breaks are as follows:

 

Year Serial Number Engine
1968 1,001 - 10,000 Kohler K301 (12HP)
1969 10,001 - 22,400 Kohler K321 (14HP)
1970 22,401 - 30,000 Kohler K321 (14HP)
1971 30,001 - 38,000 Kohler K321 (14HP)
1972 38,001 - 46,500 Kohler K321 (14HP)
1973 46.501 - 56,500 Kohler K321 (14HP)
1974 56.501 - ? Kohler K321 (14HP)

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Posted April 27, 2016 - 07:23 PM

Is the serial number on the tag below the steering wheel? Or is it somewhere else on the tractor? I know it has the 14 horse Kohler.

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Posted April 27, 2016 - 07:54 PM

My tag says Type T0585 & Serial 0585000M
What does this tell me? Also where the gas cap goes on is a funnel type thing around with a hose running out of the back side and it dumps out behind the right front tire. Is this just a run off for spilled or overflowed gas?
Oh and the tag on the engine says Model#K321AS Spec#60247d Serial#5254578

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Posted April 27, 2016 - 07:55 PM

And can I put flamethrower coil from the local auto parts store on it or does it have to be a factory one?

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Posted April 27, 2016 - 09:54 PM

It is a '74 - the last year made.  

That funnel and hose keeps spills away from a hot motor.  There are quite a few pics of toasted 140s floating around the internet.
 

As for coil, you need a coil with an internal resistor.  

If you want to hot rod it, start here -->  http://www.kirkengines.com

I have the Clone Coil and the predecessor to the Transcender II on my 120 and the predecessor to the Transcender II on my 312.  Best upgrades to the K series IMO.   All of Kirk's parts are worth the money and service is great.  If you are looking to spend a bit more cash, go for the Bosch Blue coil from Kirk.

 

 

If you wanna check it out, here is the thread for my rest-i-fied worker 120.

 

http://gardentractor...971-120/page-38


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Posted April 28, 2016 - 04:54 AM

I just wanna get it fired up and see how she runs but all the rebuild kits are for 10 over and can't find nothing standard bore. So I would have to have the engine machined? Would the 10 over rebuild kit and this coil and ignition system be way too much for the lawn and other yard work?




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