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Posted June 18, 2010 - 10:17 AM

Let me put it this way.

Between the two scenarios of having your father send that Case to the scrap yard or having him do what he did to make it "useable", I'll take the latter choice. I don't agree with what he did but it was his tractor. As you said, it is still restorable but this is not a "neat conversion" in any sense of the phrase. Installing a vertical shaft engine means you lose the ability to power belt-driven attachments such as mowing decks and snow blowers....both of which are the #1 and #2 purposes that LT's and GT's are purchased for.

Obviously, Dad took that fact into consideration at the time and decided it did not matter and of course, it was his right to do so. The good part is that Dad's conversion can be reversed but the value his old tractor will bring in its current state is very small. If I saw that and it was close by to me, the max I'd pay is $100.00.


future sales was never taken into concideration. Dad will never sell it. he had no plans of ever buying a snow blower for it and has other equipment to mow with. it was more important to beable to use it with its blade and tiller.

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Posted June 18, 2010 - 10:32 AM

future sales was never taken into concideration. Dad will never sell it. he had no plans of ever buying a snow blower for it and has other equipment to mow with. it was more important to beable to use it with its blade and tiller.


I'm a firm believer in doing what fits "yourself", and seems your Dad does too Chuck. I don't modify everything I get, but if saving money, or making something work for me how I want it to dictates changing something, then I do it. Why spend a ton of money when you have what it takes to retrofit, when it'll do all the jobs you want it to anyway.

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Posted June 18, 2010 - 10:48 AM

future sales was never taken into concideration. Dad will never sell it. he had no plans of ever buying a snow blower for it and has other equipment to mow with. it was more important to beable to use it with its blade and tiller.



And there is nothing wrong with that. But in truth, eventually all things do pass from our hands. In the meantime, I'm sure that he is enjoying the qualities that Case tractors bring to their owners.

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Posted June 20, 2010 - 04:43 AM

Yes, there is a 222 model. And if you actually want that one, then motivate yourself enough to walk up to the door and ask them if they are looking for someone to take it away because you drive by all the time and see it sitting in the same spot.

You'd be surprised at how many tractors have been obtained for free by just asking.

Of course, the downside for you, my friend, is that once you discover the virtues of the Case machinery, you just may end up selling off those Bolens units you have.



When it comes to doing that,I can be a little shy sometimes and I really need to get over that.Yes ,I really do want to get a Case,and I have actually found two 446's. One is not for sale even though it just sits,and the other one has a knock in the engine.The one with the knock can be had,but the guy wants too much for it ( $1000 ).People up my way are nuts when it comes to prices . As far as selling my Bolens units,we'll have to see about that.:D

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Posted June 20, 2010 - 05:50 AM

There's an old saying that goes like this. "Faint heart never won fair maiden."

Both tractors can likely be had.

The one that sits....... well... I'd start by introducing myself and then ask them how they came by the tractor and when. I'd then ask why it is they no longer use it. From there, I'd ask them why they don't repair it because we both know why they don't use it, now don't we? So, that opens the door to asking the obvious question. "If you aren't going to repair it, then why not sell it to me? It ain't getting any younger sitting there and it ain't gonna fix itself. All that's happening is it's slowly rotting away and the longer it sits there, the less it's worth."

As for the "silly money" 446, that's easy too.

"Since it costs over $1000.00 to properly rebuild the Onan in your tractor, please explain to me why I should pay you $1000.00 for this tractor? If you keep running it with the knock in the motor, sooner or later the knock will turn into a single bang and that bang may turn the engine into a boat anchor."


With most people, it's hard to defeat a common sense approach but I admit that there are those who cannot be swayed from their mindset. All the same, New England is lovely at this time of year. LOL A little road trip with the family and a trailer on the back can result in a USA Case ending up at your home.

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Posted June 20, 2010 - 06:34 AM

hydriv,
I do like the way you think.

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Posted June 21, 2010 - 02:44 PM

hydriv,
I do like the way you think.


I'm not sure as to the reasons behind you wanting to own a Case.

If you are looking to buy a project tractor to first restore and then "show it", then the 155 you know about would be a good choice. They are very simple to work on, parts are easy to find and the Kohler is one of the cheapest engines to rebuild, should it need it. The 155 also has that "older look" to it and people often find that quite appealing.

If you are seeking a "work tractor", then the best choice is a 444 Case, whether it just says Case or it says Case and Ingersoll or just Ingersoll. If you prefer the Desert Sunset/Power Red paint scheme like I do, then find a 444 that was made in 1971, 72, 73, 74, 75 or 76. All of these have the Snap-Fast attachment system for hooking up decks, blades and blowers. A 444 from 1969 or 1970 does not have Snap Fast, so stay away from it because old attachments are hard to find.

The 444 is a far better choice over the 446. You can rebuild the Kohler for a few hundred but the Onan will cost you a grand. You won't notice the 2 hp difference. Granted, the Onan boxer engines are smooth compared to the pumping action of the one-lung Kohlers but to me, that isn't enough to justify the higher cost of ownership. If you intend on clearing snow or working in the garden with ground engagement tools, then the extra 4 inches of ground clearance makes a 400 series a lot handier than any 200 model. And if you want a 3 pt hitch, then going with a 400 makes that a non-issue because the hitch was not designed to go on a 200.

These tractors are plentiful in Pennsylvania and apparently not very expensive according to Classic Motion on MTF because he lives down that way. Sometimes, you can find an excellent deal in one state and then find someone to bring that package north so that it's within a day's drive both ways for you to retrieve it. Halifax is only a bit over six hours to the Maine border town of Houlton....as an example. It does take some planning but it is possible to set up a meeting at a specified location in a town such as Houlton so you can take possession of the equipment and then bring it back across the border. It will be subject to your HST but not to any import duties. Since you are not in a rush, you have plenty of time to make something like this happen.

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Posted June 21, 2010 - 03:29 PM

My reasons for wanting to own a Case are:
1)I don't have one,and would like to add one to my collection.
2)I like their looks,especially the Desert Sunset/Power Red ones.
3)I like how they are built.
4)I may show it a bit,probably won't work it much.
5)Basically I guess,I just want one.
I know these are probably not the best reasons for wanting one,but there they are.

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Posted June 22, 2010 - 05:26 AM

To the contrary; those are all very good reasons. Now it comes down to your personal choice of tractor style between the older 100 series and the newer 200/400 models that emulated the styling of the 70 series Case Ag tractors as of 1969. If you can snag that 155 for a fair price and you like that style, then it's a good starting-unit for your collection.

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Posted June 22, 2010 - 06:30 AM

I wouldn't mind having one of the older style and one of the newer style.I am partial to the 15" rear wheels,so I would like to have at least one with 15's.I guess to a point ,I'm not in any hurry.


What were the Case Demonstrators?There appears to be one one kijiji in Moncton N.B. ,It doesn't say Demonstrator anywhere on it but Instead of being Desert Sunset and Power Red,it looks to have Power Red wheels, chassis, axles,and the hood and fenders look like they are some sort of gold color .The nose piece on the hood is matt black,and the decals are not the usual ones.

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Posted June 22, 2010 - 06:48 AM

Here is a picture of that Case from the kijiji ad.It doesn't really look in the picture like it has been repainted.
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Posted June 22, 2010 - 07:57 AM

First off, that isn't a Black Knight Demonstrator.... for several reasons.

That is a 1976 Case 446 that is equipped with the plastic wheel weights, plastic front counterweight kit, rear PTO and either a sleeve hitch or a three point hitch. Someone has painted the nose of the hood black. This appears to be a non-operating tractor, judging by the length of the grass growing up around it. Someone has left this outside more often than it should have been because the paint is badly faded. Even so, it is in good condition from a restoration point of view. I see no stupid butchering or mods to it and it looks to be complete and correct. That's one I would pursue if it was near me. If it has the 3 point, that alone is worth $350.00 minimum on e-Bay. The PTO ....another $150.00 minimum. The rear weights --- at least $75.00 for the pair and that front counterweight is something I've never seen before but it's worth at least $100.00 if only for the fact that it's very unusual.

The tractor, as set up, tells me that there is a tiller hiding somewhere and that's worth another $350.00. Even if the tractor does not run and needs an engine rebuild.... I'd pay $300.00 for it. So..... all told, there is $1325.00 in value there if it matches my assumptions.

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Posted June 22, 2010 - 08:12 AM

Case made Demonstrator tractors available to dealers for several years. The last Demo's were made the same year as that 446 you posted about and in 1974, 1975 and 1976 they were known as Golden Demonstrator's due to the change in the way they were dressed. The firstt photo is a Golden Demo.

The last two photos depict a couple of Black Knight Demonstrators and I believe that this program started in 1971 when the Snap-Fast attachment system was introduced. The Demo's were no different than any other production tractor of the same model except for the paint and decals. Because they were issued in limited numbers, they have become collectible

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Posted June 22, 2010 - 08:52 AM

OK ,I didn't think it was for sure,I was just wondering about the paint scheme it had.I'm not interested in that one anyway,the guy had $1900 on it for a price.Now it does come with a tiller ,snow blower,chains,and........something else,I forget.But too much.

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Posted June 22, 2010 - 10:32 AM

That front weight appears to just be a rear wheel weight for a 12" rim.




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