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Posted March 21, 2010 - 07:29 AM

Well I know nothing about these tractors except they seem very well built and unique, Hopefully we can get some Case guys over here soon, that can give me some tips on how to restore them and some of the different attachments that were made

Edited by hooligan, March 26, 2010 - 10:25 PM.


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Posted March 29, 2010 - 11:23 AM

Have you got a Case/Ingersoll tractor ?I know where there is one,I can't remember the model but I think it is a 222 if there is such a model.It is not for sale but I am keeping my eye on it.It never moves,just sits there.

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Posted March 29, 2010 - 11:27 AM

I have been around case gt's my whole life, but am not a expert on them. Dad has 1977 case 444 he bought new. Grandma still has grandpa's 444 as well.

I might be able to help some.

Dad converted his 444 to a 18 hp vertical shaft motor, he can't use the mower deck, but it used as utility tractor for blading, and tilling.

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Posted March 30, 2010 - 06:38 AM

I have been around case gt's my whole life, but am not a expert on them. Dad has 1977 case 444 he bought new. Grandma still has grandpa's 444 as well.

I might be able to help some.

Dad converted his 444 to a 18 hp vertical shaft motor, he can't use the mower deck, but it used as utility tractor for blading, and tilling.


WOW, I sure wish you would tell us how he converted the 444 to a vertical shaft. I mean a hydraulic pump is run right off the engine and goes back to run a hydraulic powered rear transaxle, did he can the rear end? interesting, but for the life of me I don't know why. It must have been pretty tough of a job is all I can say.

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Posted March 30, 2010 - 06:50 AM

All he did was make a new set of motor mounts and hung the pump off the bottom, it wasn't a difficult conversion. The k321 was shot and he had the 18hp vertical briggs laying around. He could put the whole driveline back to stock very easily.

I'll see if I can get some pictures of the conversion some time when I am over there.

This is a old one I have on hand.
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Posted March 30, 2010 - 07:00 AM

That is a neat conversion.

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Posted March 30, 2010 - 08:09 AM

It brought the tractor back to a useable state. It is used to push snow and rock, to till, and to pull the lawn sweeper and trailer.

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Posted June 17, 2010 - 09:42 PM

restoring a very nice ingersoll 4018 tractor. The onan engine is running great but i am having a hard time troubleshooting the hydradrive. I have the parts list but i could really use a service manual. Does any one have a troubleshooting guide then could send out? Any help make a friend for life. thanks greg

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Posted June 17, 2010 - 09:50 PM

restoring a very nice ingersoll 4018 tractor. The onan engine is running great but i am having a hard time troubleshooting the hydradrive. I have the parts list but i could really use a service manual. Does any one have a troubleshooting guide then could send out? Any help make a friend for life. thanks greg



If you are using straight hydraulic fluid, it will not operate right. Best thing to use is Shell Rotella 15w40 motor oil. Trust me on this. Straight hydraulic oil will cause surging & bucking. It foams & causes cavitation in the pump. If you have hydraulic oil in it, dump it all out, then sacrifice a quart of motor oil to run through & flush the system. Plug the return inlet on reservoir, put return line into a bucket. Put the quart in the reservoir, then start engine to flush the motor oil into bucket.

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Posted June 18, 2010 - 04:46 AM

greged :welcometogttalk:Glad to have you here.

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Posted June 18, 2010 - 05:01 AM

[restoring a very nice ingersoll 4018 tractor. The onan engine is running great but i am having a hard time troubleshooting the hydradrive. I have the parts list but i could really use a service manual. Does any one have a troubleshooting guide then could send out? Any help make a friend for life. thanks greg]


Greg- I believe I have a troubleshooting manual somewhere. I will look for it. In the meantime, please describe the tractor's symptoms. Olcowhand is correct when he says that many times the fluid used is the culprit. I hope this is the issue.
Once you describe the symptoms Hydrive will magically appear and diagnose the problem, and will guide you through the repair. He is more valuable on these matters than any troubleshooting manual. It is likely that he will have a solution to the problem before I can even find the manual.

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Posted June 18, 2010 - 05:14 AM

Also-Greg when starting a new discussion it is nice to start a new thread. You could have titled it: Hydraulic Issue. Please don't think that this is negative in anyway, since I am glad to see a new post in this section no matter how it gets posted. So if you have questions about your 4018 ask away. If you have questions about this Forum, the Moderators here are great guys who will help with any issue.
If you have a picture of the 4018 please post it.

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Posted June 18, 2010 - 09:33 AM

:wave::wave::D This will obviously sound arrogant and I've been accused of that many times in the past. :laughingteeth::laughingteeth::laughingteeth::laughingteeth:


My apparent arrogance should just be overlooked. :rolleyes::rofl2:

What matters most is whether you get the information you need. :smile1:

I am a "Case guy" and I am "here". It's the lack of Colt, Case and Ingersoll owner/members that is the problem.

I can't answer questions that don't exist.

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Posted June 18, 2010 - 09:38 AM

WOW, I sure wish you would tell us how he converted the 444 to a vertical shaft. I mean a hydraulic pump is run right off the engine and goes back to run a hydraulic powered rear transaxle, did he can the rear end? interesting, but for the life of me I don't know why. It must have been pretty tough of a job is all I can say.


Yes, there is a 222 model. And if you actually want that one, then motivate yourself enough to walk up to the door and ask them if they are looking for someone to take it away because you drive by all the time and see it sitting in the same spot.

You'd be surprised at how many tractors have been obtained for free by just asking.

Of course, the downside for you, my friend, is that once you discover the virtues of the Case machinery, you just may end up selling off those Bolens units you have.

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Posted June 18, 2010 - 09:48 AM

It brought the tractor back to a useable state. It is used to push snow and rock, to till, and to pull the lawn sweeper and trailer.


Let me put it this way.

Between the two scenarios of having your father send that Case to the scrap yard or having him do what he did to make it "useable", I'll take the latter choice. I don't agree with what he did but it was his tractor. As you said, it is still restorable but this is not a "neat conversion" in any sense of the phrase. Installing a vertical shaft engine means you lose the ability to power belt-driven attachments such as mowing decks and snow blowers....both of which are the #1 and #2 purposes that LT's and GT's are purchased for.

Obviously, Dad took that fact into consideration at the time and decided it did not matter and of course, it was his right to do so. The good part is that Dad's conversion can be reversed but the value his old tractor will bring in its current state is very small. If I saw that and it was close by to me, the max I'd pay is $100.00.




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