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#1 MrMarty51 OFFLINE  

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Posted April 13, 2016 - 06:44 PM

I have pulled the Carter N series carb from the 110 John Deere.

Not a pretty sight.

To begin.

The fuel cap had cracked, got a gob of J-B Weld on it so an attempt to repair the cap was made. Water got into the fuel tank, ran into the carburetor. :wallbanging:

I imagine some of You may know where this is going by now. :bigrofl:

I removed the float bowl, the float was froze into place, along with being smashed from water forming into ice.

I set the carb into a coffee jug filled with vinegar. WOW, after a day, the needle valve loosened up and the float would swing on its pivot,another day of soaking and I got the pivot pin out.

So far, all is fine and dandy.

Another day of soaking and, the choke and also the throttles butterfly shafts are seized in their bores.

Is there any hope that these shafts will ever turn free again or, is a new to Me carb body in order ?

That is the question of the day. :beerchug:

OH Yeah, also, the chokes butterfly has chunks rusted out of it.


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Posted April 13, 2016 - 06:48 PM

I have pulled the Carter N series carb from the 110 John Deere.

Not a pretty sight.

To begin.

The fuel cap had cracked, got a gob of J-B Weld on it so an attempt to repair the cap was made. Water got into the fuel tank, ran into the carburetor. :wallbanging:

I imagine some of You may know where this is going by now. :bigrofl:

I removed the float bowl, the float was froze into place, along with being smashed from water forming into ice.

I set the carb into a coffee jug filled with vinegar. WOW, after a day, the needle valve loosened up and the float would swing on its pivot,another day of soaking and I got the pivot pin out.

So far, all is fine and dandy.

Another day of soaking and, the choke and also the throttles butterfly shafts are seized in their bores.

Is there any hope that these shafts will ever turn free again or, is a new to Me carb body in order ?

That is the question of the day. :beerchug:

OH Yeah, also, the chokes butterfly has chunks rusted out of it.

Some have had good luck with aftermarket carbs but I would find another carter in better shape. 


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Posted April 13, 2016 - 06:51 PM

It will be alright..duck tape and WD-40 be good as new in no time!!!


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Posted April 13, 2016 - 07:25 PM

There are several carbs, used ones, on ebay, I will look into one of those, message the seller, be sure the shafts are not seized into their bores.

 

It will be alright..duck tape and WD-40 be good as new in no time!!!

:bigrofl: :bigrofl: :bigrofl: :bigrofl:  Yes it will. :bigrofl: :bigrofl: :bigrofl:


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Posted April 13, 2016 - 07:36 PM

I stock the aftermarket carbs for these but the OEM Kohler carbs cant be matched in quality, keep the carter if possible.

If you can pull the throttle shaft out or cut it out they do have repair kits for them with bushings,

 

http://bolenspartsan...k161-25-757-16/

 

Choke shafts should be available as well.

 

May be able to find a used one but it will definitely be worn too and require work or a carb kit at best


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Posted April 13, 2016 - 09:30 PM

Thank You Dr. Bolens.

That will probably be the order of business. I do not like to throw ANYTHING away, but, I do not like having pieces of something that could be complete laying around too.



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Posted April 13, 2016 - 09:44 PM

After a lot of twisting, turning and soaking, the needle valve seat finally came out, actually left the threads in the housing intact. HA !

A fresh batch of vinegar into the coffee can and, let this thing soak for a couple of more days.

See if the throttle shaft and choke shafts will work loose.

If not, I will get some meuratic acid, soak it in that, it might get to the bottom of it, Spelling of the acid may be off just a little, spell checker didn`t have any good substitutes. :bigrofl: :bigrofl: :bigrofl:


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Posted April 13, 2016 - 11:31 PM

If there is anything made of aluminum the acid may eat it.


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Posted April 13, 2016 - 11:38 PM

If there is anything made of aluminum the acid may eat it.

Yeah, You are probably right, probably better not try that, Making soda eats away corrosion, like on battery cables, Maybe that might work on the aluminum, be worth a try any how. Alls I have is time. :rolling:



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Posted April 14, 2016 - 05:30 AM

Hey Marty, have you tried these guys, pretty good prices

 

http://isavetractors.com


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Posted April 14, 2016 - 07:48 AM

Hey Marty, have you tried these guys, pretty good prices

 

http://isavetractors.com

Not yet. I will keep this in mind though.

I tinkered with the carb a little, already this morning. With some very gentle persuasion, the choke shaft now moves freely within its bores.

Still soaking in vinegar. It seems that the linkage portion of the throttle shaft slightly wiggles. Soaking it some more to see if the downwards, enclosed portion of the shaft can be worked free.

I too have thought about drilling a smallish hole in the bottom of the shafts pocket, within the float bowl portion, allow that to soak some more, if possible get it freed up then patching the bore with a spot of JB weld.

I too have one of those small hand held butane torches. By now, I would think any volatile fumes would be soaked out of the carb, then slightly heating the pocket for the shaft, a slight bit of expansion and I think it will work free.

On another note: I always go out of My way to avoid buying stuff from across the waters, with that, i would rather spend the extra money to buy a used carb or carb body, then rebuild that. just My 02C worth.


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Posted April 14, 2016 - 07:13 PM

Fired up the little butane torch, got out the IR thermometer, heated the carbs shaft pocket to 150 degrees, a couple of drops of 3on1 oil, submersed the carb body no deeper than the pocket, allowed the carb body to cool a bit, sucked in the oil and now, the throttle shaft turns free as can be.
Time now to order in a float and carb kit.

:wave:  The little beast shall live again, with its original carburetor. :smiley-score010:


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Posted April 15, 2016 - 06:01 PM

Went for a visit this afternoon, to the small engines repair shop, about 2 miles away.

All genuine Kohler components. He did order in the float. Said it`d be about a week. Well, don't want to get started farming too early.

 

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Posted April 15, 2016 - 06:08 PM

I somehow got a double post there, in so trying to delete one of them, deleted the attachment instead. LOL All better now though.


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Posted April 16, 2016 - 06:55 AM

job well done , perseverance paid off


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