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214 lost spark. Anyway to convert to a non-points system?


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#1 victor3ranger OFFLINE  

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Posted March 21, 2016 - 03:16 PM

I lost spark on my JD212 and I can't seem to figure out why.

 

Is there a way to get rid of the points system on these things??



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Posted March 21, 2016 - 03:23 PM

I dont know JD real well but these should have a Kohler with 12vt coil ignition correct?

 

If so How do you know its not the coil or other issue, the points system on these are bullet proof and unless you have a worn push rod, pitted points or bad condenser they never fail.



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Posted March 21, 2016 - 04:04 PM

The best thing to do is to download the engine manual and use the troubleshooting guide to diagnose the problem. If it suddenly died, and the points are okay, I would suspect a short in a wire. This is where an ohm meter or a continuity tester can help alot. Good Luck, Rick


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Posted March 21, 2016 - 04:22 PM

Grab a test light.
Power to the coil?
Pulsing ground at neg pole of coil?
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Posted March 21, 2016 - 06:18 PM

I have 2 K series Kohler equipped machines a K301 and a K341 both have the battery ignition system (battery,points, coil, and condenser)  both are essentially bulletproof unless they sit without being run for a month or so then the points seem to get corroded and a no spark condition occurs.  Leave them out unprotected in the weather or under a tarp and it quickens the process.  Other than the corrosion issue I have never had issues with this system as long as the timing is set right and the points are good, as said I think its economical and pretty bullet proof, put an ignition module in It and now you have one of those mysterious "black boxes" in your system to complicate troubleshooting.


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Posted March 21, 2016 - 09:05 PM

check the points and set the gap to 0.020

check and see if you are getting power to the points.

I have had to replace the wire from the coil to the points a couple motors, because they were bad.


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Posted March 22, 2016 - 05:24 AM

I would also second the plan of carefully checking the points system before trying to go to a solid state ignition. A broken or loose wire or a bad connection from the engine block back to the battery - terminal are common problems. Points adjustment is another issue. If you download the K series service manual from the Kohler site it will help you troubleshooting the ignition.


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Posted March 22, 2016 - 05:43 AM

I would also second the plan of carefully checking the points system before trying to go to a solid state ignition. A broken or loose wire or a bad connection from the engine block back to the battery - terminal are common problems. Points adjustment is another issue. If you download the K series service manual from the Kohler site it will help you troubleshooting the ignition.

We have the Kohler Service manual in the Manuals section.


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Posted March 22, 2016 - 07:22 AM

You could do this which improves starting and is bolt-on modification:

 

http://www.kirkengines.com/index.php#1

 

 

Kirk's stuff is top notch and I have it on my 120 and 312.



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Posted March 22, 2016 - 02:12 PM

I tried to get to the points on this thing and man, it is a pain in the butt!!! :mad2: 



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Posted March 22, 2016 - 04:54 PM

Try a Cub for hard to get to points! One screw is a through the frame thing! And not much room to get the cover off!






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