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#1 Devanton OFFLINE  

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Posted March 13, 2016 - 02:26 AM

Good morning everybody,

 

I am new on this forum, have only registered this morning.

 

As an "enthousiast for things mechanical and unconventional"  I bought last week a Gibson Model D 1947 tractor.

(As the wife said : another addition to your other useless (albeit all in working order) colelction of old iron.. (Consisting of some Russian made Ural sidecar motorcycles, a SAMOFA Dutch-made stationary engine and other assorted "interesting" things)..

 

Never seen a Gibson before and apparently not many of those have been sold in my country.

It is in running condition (pull wire starter) but needs some TLC.

 

I have managed in he tmeantime to download the Operation Manual (which does not provide an enormous amount of informatio anyway) as well as the Service Manual for the Wisconin AEH engine.

 

This is where the enigma starts to develop :

 

On all pictures in the tractor manual as well as the engine manual the fueltank(the small round version) is mounted on the left hand side of the engine, exhaust and carburettor are on the right...

 

Mine is exactly the opposite, i.e. fuel tank to the right and carb/exhaust to the left (view from rear).

 

Also in the (little) documentation I found on this model the carburettor is either Zenith or Stromberg.

Mine is Bendix.

 

 

More of a problem and the real reason to start this topic, I am now in need for a SERVICE manual for the tractor because I need to :

 

- Change wheel bearings (all shot) and manual does not specify which bearing type 

- Adjust or replace brakes on rearwheels (22" by the way)

- Adjust or replace all V-belts on clutch

- Find out the shift pattern of the gearbox

- Replace the aircleaner assembly (missing).

 

So questiontime :

 

- Does anybody know where I can find a service/repair manual for the tractor

- Can parts such as brakbands etc still be purchased or can the old one be re-lined

 

I would appreaciate any feedback to help me on my way with this project.

 

Looking forward to hear / read from you,

 

Devanton, The Netherlands

 

PS. Now off to the last ice speedway races of this hear (hope I don't get tempted to buy one of those too....)

 

 

 

 


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Posted March 13, 2016 - 04:07 AM

:wave: Welcome to the forum!



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Posted March 13, 2016 - 05:11 AM

Welcome to GTTalk ! Maybe some pictures of your tractor will help others .

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Posted March 13, 2016 - 09:23 AM

:welcometogttalk:  and a few  :camera:  would help . 



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Posted March 13, 2016 - 02:07 PM

Those are rare tractors in US, much less in Europe!!  Good luck on it. Pictures needed as noted.  Bearings might be common and not hard to find here at least. Vendors on here have some parts for Wisconsin engines and carb kits. 


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Posted March 14, 2016 - 02:06 AM

Good morning

 

Thank you for your reactions.

 

Attached some pictures that may help you to shed some light on the "wrong way round" engine.

 

Hopefully this will confirm this is in fact a Model D. 

 

Can somebody provide a Service / Repair manual ?  

 

Looking forward to hear from you guys.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Devanton



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Posted March 14, 2016 - 02:19 AM

Don't see the pictures.



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Posted March 14, 2016 - 03:34 AM

Now with pictures attached (I hope).

 

 

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Posted March 14, 2016 - 05:16 AM

I love all those belts !  The front engine pulley looks like it was for something else maybe ?



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Posted March 14, 2016 - 05:31 AM

Alc,

Front end pulley is to start the engine with pull cord.

Devanton


Edited by KennyP, March 14, 2016 - 06:30 AM.

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Posted March 14, 2016 - 05:32 AM

Pull cord not pull corf.
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Posted March 14, 2016 - 06:32 AM

Pull cord not pull corf.

I fixed it. You have a short period you can edit your posts. Just hover the mouse in the lower right of the post and the edit button should show.



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Posted March 14, 2016 - 11:02 AM

I too picked up a Gibson model D recently. It looks like your engine may be a Wisconsin AEN. Look at some pics on the net to compare. These are great little tractors. I just hauled a load of wood to the house with mine. Repro brake bands can be had for 250.00 a pair. If your bands are good, you would be better off relining them. The guy I bought mine from installed one of the bands, and gave me the other one to install. My T96 transmission is a later replacement from 1952. It has the threaded studs sticking out of the side for the shiftier linkage. I have a T96 top loader shiftier only case from 1948 that I will be building to replace the one in the tractor.

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Posted March 14, 2016 - 11:20 AM

I noticed some chipped teeth on the low reverse gear in my transmission when I had the top cover off. I'm willing to bet that my cluster gear and reverse idler gear have chips out of the teeth, also. Grinding the transmission into gear is the culprit. Luckily, I found an NOS cluster gear, NOS reverse idler gear, NOS low, reverse slider gear, and a small parts kit for a great deal today. I paid 157.34 for all of these parts. Just the cluster gear alone usually starts at 145.00 and can be as high as 299.00 from what I have seen for sale. I'll also be replacing the brass synchros, case bearings, seals, and I'll make new gaskets. I'll have to check the reverse idler shaft and cluster gear shaft for wear once I remove them. I'll round up the part numbers for the transmission parts for you in case you need to replace anything.Here is a pic of the inside of my transmission, pics of the parts I found on ebay, and a pic of my Gibson.

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Posted March 14, 2016 - 02:20 PM

Thank you,

Could you share the address or site where you purchased the parts please?
Any idea of where to find a service manual so I can actually see what to do?

According to the type plate on the engine it is AEH but I will have a good look again as it it slightly corroded.
If it is an AEN would that be typical or a later replacement ?

Devanton.




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