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Posted April 08, 2016 - 11:47 AM

That's a great price on the weights.  What brand are they?


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Posted April 08, 2016 - 12:12 PM

That's a great price on the weights.  What brand are they?

 

Wheel Horse.  I'll be sure to get them ASAP......I want to add a lot of weight to the back of the 1855.

 

And I contacted Rustoleum about matching up a color that is close to the Massey red (since they discontinued it) and their people told me that Sunrise Red is very close, so I think that's the direction I'll be going.  A Rustoleum rattle can paint job, then clear coating, followed by wet sanding and buffing has yielded excellent results for me.


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Posted April 08, 2016 - 12:35 PM

Thanks for the tip on the paint match. I have 2 sets of MF weights on mine and the tires are loaded to the brim. Have yet to loose traction.
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Posted April 08, 2016 - 05:04 PM

Thanks for the tip on the paint match. I have 2 sets of MF weights on mine and the tires are loaded to the brim. Have yet to loose traction.

 

No problem, happy to pass along some help since everyone here has been so helpful to me.  Rustoleum Wheel Silver and Rustoleum Sunrise Red look to be very close matches, not exact, but really, really good.

 

Are those Massey weights that you have the 2 piece ones that weigh 40 lbs each? 

 

I'll have the 53 lb Wheel Horse weights on the inside of each wheel, 34 lb Sears Suburban and 51 lb John Deere double notch ones on the outside of each wheel.  With all the mounting hardware it should be a total of about 140 lbs per side, 280 lbs total on the rear.  I hope that helps keep the Goodyear Super Terra Grip ag tires from spinning when I'm using implements on the 3 point hitch.


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Posted April 08, 2016 - 05:09 PM

Yes, they are factory MF split weights. Not sure how much extra weight I've gained. But it seams to be adequate for what I do.Sounds like you shouldn't have a problem once you get your weights on. Are you going to fill the tires too?

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Posted April 08, 2016 - 07:04 PM

Yes, they are factory MF split weights. Not sure how much extra weight I've gained. But it seams to be adequate for what I do.Sounds like you shouldn't have a problem once you get your weights on. Are you going to fill the tires too?

 

I'm not a fan of filling the tires because it seems like every tire/rim combination that I've dismounted have been an absolute mess and it ruins the rim and goes everywhere.  It's just easier for me not to do that and I don't like dealing with tubes.


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Posted April 08, 2016 - 08:16 PM

Everyone has their preference .I filled my first 1655 with Calcium front and back with tubes.Never again. Makes a mess of the rims even with tubes in them from spillage I guess? I've used washer fluid in the rest of the tractors. Haven't had to pull a tire off so I can't say what the insides of the rims look like.
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Posted April 08, 2016 - 11:04 PM

Hey limebuzz,

 

You mentioned your tractor doesn't spin with all that weight on the back.  What kind of work does your MF tractor do?  I'm going to be using a 5" landscape rake after I use a shank/ripper with four 16" shanks to rip the ground up before raking the sod and small rocks and other debris out.  I know the 1855 is a HUGE garden tractor, but I don't want to be overly optimistic so I figured I'd ask all of the pros on here because everyone always has such great advice.

 

And a few more updates.  The grille assembly is put together and ready to go and the Vredstein V61 tires for the front are mounted.  I didn't put the valve stems in yet or inflate the tires because I'm going to put another final coat of paint on the wheels......this way it'll be easier to mask the tires off to prevent over spray.  The back of the wheels look good, but unfortunately the front of the wheels have some light pitting that even the sandblasting couldn't remove, but it's not really that noticeable and I may try and fill them with some Bondo, but we'll see.

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Posted April 09, 2016 - 03:24 AM

With the 1655, I have a blower for the winter.and we (usually) get a heck of a pile to blow.i also have a 5'back blade that it pulls in the winter too if need be,without any trouble.and I have a brinly plow. It just plays with the 10".last year,i didn't have a gauge wheel on it so I tried to see how far I could go into the ground before it wouldn't pull it. And it was darn near 10" deep before it killed the tractor. Not a good idea, but I did anyways. Those tires sure look sharp on those tractors. I want to get a set this year.
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Posted April 09, 2016 - 04:17 AM

It does pull strong, Paul! Has your wife been on it again? She will definitely need that weight on there!



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Posted April 09, 2016 - 09:40 AM

Kenny, that was my 1650 at plow day. Lol. She sure will need more weight. And no, she hasn't been out yet,hasn't been above zero here. I'm itching to try out her new plow I picked up on Monday thou. You know, I gotta try it out first,to make sure it works right.
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Posted April 11, 2016 - 01:30 AM

 

So it sounds like these big Masseys have some serious grunt to them!

 

I'm going to continue to fatten the old girl up just to make sure I have ample traction.  The 53 lb Wheel Horse wheel weights that I was going to get for $90 for the pair didn't end up fitting on the inside of my 1855 wheel, so I got a pair of 62 lb wheel weights (124 lbs total) for only $75 from a very nice man at a (somewhat) local tractor salvage yard.  I think these may be Wheel Horse weights as well (a different style), but I have no idea.  Maybe you guys could tell me.  I'm going to have 3 different sets now on the rear wheels, Deere weights on the very outsides, Sears Suburbans inside those, and then these 62 lb Wheel Horse (?) ones that I just picked up on the inside of the rim for a total of about 300 lbs including mounting hardware on the rear wheels.  I think I'm set for now with weight on the rear, so hopefully traction shouldn't be an issue when I'm pulling a 4 shank ripper or a 5 ft landscape rake on the 3 point hitch.

 

The only thing I'm slightly concerned about is that the 62lb weights that I'm going to use on the inside of the rim stick out about 1.5" from the edge of the wheel and I don't know if they're going to hit on anything on the frame or 3 point hitch assembly.  I know I'm going to have to most likely remove my hubs when I go to install the weights since the center opening isn't as big as the hub itself, but I just don't want to run into any clearance issues.  Since my tractor is apart at the minute, would one of you fellow Massey/Snapper owners be able to measure the edge of the rim to the nearest section of tractor frame so I'll know if these will work or not.  If not, I'll have to get some Bolens HT wheels or Wheel Horse D series (160, 180, etc) with an extra inch offset.  I really don't want to go that route, but we'll see.  Here's a shot of another member's machine......it looks like there may be just enough clearance for the weights, but it's hard to tell for sure.  Thanks in advance, guys!

 

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Posted April 11, 2016 - 09:49 AM

I'll measure tonight when I get home. 

 

Adding weight to these helps alot.  And they are really capable tracors...for their size.  You just have to remember their size.  I probably use mine as hard or harder than any one.  I don't abuse them, but I use them hard.

 

I have a heavy 54" back grader blade that I have done some hard pushing with.  I have also bent the lower three point arms as well.  One of my other 1855s also has the lower arms bent in a similar manner.  I run up against the rear 3 point lift capacity aLOT.  From lifting 55 gallon barrels, to snaking trees, etc.  I've had my 1855 buried in soft creek mud up to the rear fender pan.  Once I was pulling a sizeable log up a bank and had the cable hooked near the top link of the three point...it jerked the end right out of the 3pt hydraulic cylinder.  One problem with weighting the back end, is you'll eventually have to start weighting the front end to keep it on the ground.  This quickly becomes hard on the steering gear boxes.  To the extreme, you'll snap a front spindle.  Over the course of 100 hrs, you lock up the steering gear box.

 

Again, I don't want to discourage you, because these are truly great machines.  But don't expect them to perform like a 30 hp tractor that weights 3,000 lbs.  I've never tried a rip shank on mine per se, but at least on my clay ground, I'd have a hard time ripping 12" deep with 1 shank...much less ripping 16" with four shanks.  Unless the ground was already practically loose.

 

A few pictures using mine:

 

Well, nevermind...the pictures show up, but then when I post, it says I'm not allowed to use that image extension.  I guess the ways to post pictures have changed.  I'll look at it when I have more time.

 

--Eric


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Posted April 11, 2016 - 10:19 AM

I just measured mine. I have Tru powers on mine, and I say there is 2"between sidewall and anything that it could hit eg. 3pth mount on axle,deck spring hanger. If you are just shy for clearance,yo can also put washers behind the rim when you bolt your tires on. The hub protrudes the rim @1/4"
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Posted April 11, 2016 - 01:17 PM

Thank you for the fast replies, gentlemen.  I think I will be just fine with those wheel weights.  I think the tire probably sticks out about 1/2" farther than the rim and since there is 2" of clearance between the tire sidewall and the closest spot on the frame, my wheel weights that protrude 1-1/2" from the rim shouldn't come within more than 1" of the frame, so I'll have plenty of room.  I really appreciate you guys checking that out for me!

 

I plan on building a 4 shank ripper like this guy did here: http://www.mytractor...m-building.html

 

I figure that if he can pull that with a light weight, modern Craftsman tractor, the Massey/Snapper should be able to do it without too much hesitation.  Again, I really appreciate everyone's advice and helping to put the capabilities of this machine into perspective for me.


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