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Allis 716h can it handle a FEL?


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Posted January 03, 2016 - 01:06 AM

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            I was wondering if my Allis 716h can handle a loader? I am just looking to be able to move about garden dirt and pile the powder snow we get here in the winter. I am an experienced fabricator with hydraulic knowledge so the fab end is no issue for me, I looked my 716 over and I can tell the front axle would need beefed up at the spindles/ adding thrust bearings under spindles and converted to a hub style axle.  I would also be doing a full AG style sub frame for the FEL.

 

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Posted January 03, 2016 - 06:03 AM

This will be interesting to hear the answer to, since I just went through one of these tractors and modified several things.


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Posted January 03, 2016 - 07:15 AM

IDK the answer to that but you could try the AC manuals and brochures in our Manuals Section. There are also plans for loaders. Good Luck, Rick

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Posted January 03, 2016 - 08:15 AM

Beefier is almost always better, but the style axle and spindles on your machine were used for decades without issue, and the earlier tractors offered a loader good for a 300# load in the bucket, all day, everyday.  Much more than that in a GT this size causes issues with control and stability anyway.  If you use a subframe to bridge the BGB, you would be in good shape.  I think hubs, etc are overkill, but some folks like overkill  =]  The thrust bearings would be a must, simply to minimize spindle wear and reduce steering effort.

Here is one mod that I really like on the later tractors.  This was done on a 7100/900 series, which is a little bit longer out front, but it would work on a 7000/700 series.  It makes the axle supported from front and back, just like what Allis did on the Homelites, 300's & 400's.

 

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Posted January 03, 2016 - 08:28 AM

That's a nice brace they added in there. I may see if I can do something similar to Alice!



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Posted January 03, 2016 - 08:34 AM

. If you use a subframe to bridge the BGB, you would be in good shape.
Here is one mod that I really like on the later tractors. This was done on a 7100/900 series, which is a little bit longer out front, but it would work on a 7000/700 series. It makes the axle supported from front and back, just like what Allis did on the Homelites, 300's & 400's.

Is the BGB area the weak spot on these and the reason why you don't see many loaders on them?
Those pics, wow... That's some frame improvement. :thumbs:
As for the axel, I went with a 1" and it had some forward sweep. I think it really improved the lift and forward stability on my Sears.
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Posted January 03, 2016 - 08:45 AM

Alan, the BGB is what holds the whole rear end to the front frame section. Check the first post in my thread on building Alice. Basically, you have 4 7/16" bolt holding it together!


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Posted January 03, 2016 - 06:45 PM

It can handle one. It just depends on how big the Fel is.



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Posted January 03, 2016 - 06:46 PM

Is the BGB area the weak spot on these and the reason why you don't see many loaders on them?
Those pics, wow... That's some frame improvement. :thumbs:
As for the axel, I went with a 1" and it had some forward sweep. I think it really improved the lift and forward stability on my Sears.

The BGB's aren't th eproblem.
They wear out and aren't the best design but they are heavy duty as far as structure goes.
The limiting factor is the same as all the other tractors
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Posted January 04, 2016 - 09:31 PM

Correct... the BGB itself is not the problem. What I recommended is bridging the BGB with a sub frame. As previously mentioned the frame component is only held to the transmission by 4 bolts. Now, I have never seen the bolts fail, and doubt they would but the frame tends to crack at that point when abused or the front is overloaded with weight in the rear. I have welded up a couple.
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Posted January 04, 2016 - 11:27 PM

Ok thanks for the info everyone.

                                                 It looked like it would to me. and yes a subframe is a must with any FEL to me. I am currently building my materials list so I can get an idea of what it will cost( at least I get a decent break on hydraulic parts, as I spin wrenches for Massey...).

 

I will keep y'all posted

 

thanks again

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