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#1 CraftsmanGT ONLINE  

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Posted December 30, 2015 - 06:48 PM

Why are Honda clones the thing now for single cylinder engines? The B&S 800 and 900 series and Kohler Command single cylinder line for example with the slant cylinder.
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Posted December 30, 2015 - 06:49 PM

Because they are cheap.


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Posted December 30, 2015 - 06:52 PM

Because they are cheap.

 

I think you hit the nail on the head there Brandon!

Its a shame alot of the good engines are getting scrapped because people dont want to rebuild them.


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Posted December 30, 2015 - 06:56 PM

Why are Honda clones the thing now for single cylinder engines? The B&S 800 and 900 series and Kohler Command single cylinder line for example with the slant cylinder.

great question. I am not a fan, even though it costs more I'd rather overhaul a tried and true old reliable.


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Posted December 30, 2015 - 06:56 PM

I would rebuild one before putting replacing. I wouldn't even want a brand new B&S or Kohler on a garden tractor. I would like to  transplant a diesel on one but I need the right one for that. Go Kart or something like that unless the engine is in good shape I don't care putting a clone on.


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Posted December 30, 2015 - 07:06 PM

The last MF12 I put a Honda clone in was because I wanted it mainly for a grass cutter, I'd rather burn up a cheap Honda clone than a good cast iron Tecumseh.

Takes me 6hr + to cut all of the lawn.


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Posted December 30, 2015 - 07:18 PM

Because everyone knows the reliability of a HONDA and if someone "clones" a HONDA, it must be a great piece of equipment!


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Posted December 30, 2015 - 07:33 PM

Because everyone knows the reliability of a HONDA and if someone "clones" a HONDA, it must be a great piece of equipment!

Beat me to it. They are based on a great reliable design and they are cheap.


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Posted December 30, 2015 - 07:54 PM

I would agree with the cheap comment with one caveat, people are also a bit scared to rebuild a motor thinking that it is more complex than it is. Just my opinion but if you put a cheap clone in a good tractor you have essentially now created an unreliable, cheap tractor! Again just my opinion but I think if your not willing to spend the time to do something the right way or the money for that matter, why not just buy a box store tractor at resale, same outcome.
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Posted December 30, 2015 - 07:58 PM

Cheap. And start easy. Just my two cents worth.

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Posted December 30, 2015 - 08:02 PM

I put one on a minibike I removed the govenor and had a straight throttle. I figured it would blow a rod, cause it turns ridiculous rpm now but it's been like that for two years and is always beat and it never broke yet
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Posted December 30, 2015 - 08:04 PM

I would rebuild one before putting replacing. I wouldn't even want a brand new B&S or Kohler on a garden tractor. I would like to  transplant a diesel on one but I need the right one for that. Go Kart or something like that unless the engine is in good shape I don't care putting a clone on.

A friend does small engine repair work and has a salvage yard of yard & garden equipment put a diesel in a Craftsman GT.  Engine came from a refrigeration unit off a semi trailer.  I had the adapter built for him at my local welding shop for $90.  Worked out good.


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Posted December 30, 2015 - 08:58 PM

Nevr had one. It's the same with the Predator engines.

Nobody rebuilds the good stuff. They would rather burn up 3 cheap engines than rebuild the old one that would still be running


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Posted December 30, 2015 - 09:03 PM

I am one who recently completed a 13 HP Honda clone swap on my 1975 Massey Ferguson 12G. It would have been great to keep the HH120, but that engine needed an oversize piston because of too much cylinder taper. Just for the heck of it I did do a standard bore overhaul on it a couple years ago. It only lasted about 6 mows before it started smoking badly again.

 

Here's a quote from Old Paths Equipment on the standard bore overhaul kit which costs $119. ".010 and up still available, but be prepared if I find you one that it will not be as painless on the checkbook compared to this kit."

 

 

I did some searches for a year or 2, and I think in 2014 I saw a bare .010 piston on ebay for something like 75 bucks. It sold right away. Local machine shops want 100+ bucks to do the bore! The cost and trouble getting it done wasn't worth it. Finally my wife and kids got tired of the smoke and bought the new engine for a Father"s Day gift.

 

This engine starts much better, is a lot quieter and less vibration. Been pushing snow with it. They paid $279.

 

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Posted December 30, 2015 - 09:10 PM

The Honda clone that I used is an ALUMINUM bore engine, no cast iron liner in it.

Real Hondas have the cast iron linner and would last a lot longer.

$1300. for a Honda  vs  $400. +/- for a clone.


Edited by DH1, December 30, 2015 - 09:11 PM.

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