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#1 BigFlash OFFLINE  

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Posted December 21, 2015 - 08:33 PM

I recently acquired a Model 33 JD tiller for my 140. While doing some research about tillers in general I took notice to something. The model 33 tiller from seems to share quite a few components with a Massey Ferguson 550 tiller. There are quite a few differences in how the tiller is driven, but the gear boxes, chain drive system, sheet metal all seems very close, Did Deere and MF get tillers from a common supplier or one bought from the other? i'm sure somebody has noticed this, before but couldn't find any evidence. 

 

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Posted December 21, 2015 - 08:51 PM

They are Haben built units.
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Posted December 21, 2015 - 08:52 PM

I think your right, it's the same with the snow throwers for the MF 12 tractors, the same thrower is on other models of tractors, non Massey Ferguson.

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Posted December 21, 2015 - 09:01 PM

They also made tillers for Ariens.
The tiller in my avatar pic is an Ariens built by Haben.

Edited by shorty, December 22, 2015 - 07:21 AM.


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Posted December 22, 2015 - 07:05 AM

Looking at the cover where on chain drive I would not be surprised if they also built the snow blower units for sears suburbans. All carriage bolts used to hold cover??


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Posted December 22, 2015 - 07:19 AM

One thing I noticed on my Ariens S-16 from the mid 70's era, is a lot of carrage bolts. On the Gravely 18H, which is the same as a Ariens Gt18, the holes are tapped and regular bolts are used. I am guessing that it was the standard at that time.

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Posted December 22, 2015 - 06:52 PM

This is intriguing, I was told deere and Haban worked together in the beginning for the attachments for the 110, but i figured the later stuff was designed by deere. Did Haban offer their own versions of these attachments or just manufactured them for other companies branding? Does anyone have a specific info about their partner ship with deere and or other companies?



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Posted December 22, 2015 - 08:35 PM

No specific info here. Each brand had their own mounting system. On the tillers, they were the same up to the pivot point.

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Posted December 22, 2015 - 09:39 PM

Chris,

 

When Deere was looking to develop a tiller for the early round fenders, they utilized the engineering and manufacturing abilities of Haban. Although these two companies sat down and came to a design, Haban pretty much built the entire unit, but adapted it for Deere to use with it's current line of tractors. I don't think, but could be wrong, Deere ever manufactured these units in their factory. I'm almost certain that Haban produced the units and shipped them to Deere for their blessings, and Deere then painted them and applied the serial number tags.

 

All of you guys would be correct, Haban has utilized the design for many different brands of manufacturers, however each independent manufacturer used their brand specific paint. Deere seems to be the only manufacturer however, that used their own serial numbering of the equipment, as the other manufacturers used Haban's personal serial numbering. About the only things that Haban made for themselves, decaled and painted themselves, but still used individually manufactured mounted systems, were the flail mowers and sickle bar mowers. Haban manufactured all sorts of attachments, which included snow blades, rototillers, and snowthrowers, all of which can still be found as many of you guys have pointed out. And other than Deere specific attachments, you will more than likely find a serial number tag stating that it's manufactured by Haban. 


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Posted December 22, 2015 - 10:19 PM

With regards to what Jazz and Shorty were saying about carriage bolts, I am wondering if that was just a common element at that time. I am rebuilding an older Bolens tiller (I am not sure on the year, but I would guess early 70's). It does not resemble the tillers pictured above at all ( shaft drive input to a ring and pinion gear with the ring gear driving the tine shafts. No chain case at all). All of the stamped steel pieces are held together with carriage bolts

 

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Edit: I thought I had a picture of it, but I can't seem to find it. It is in pieces at the moment.

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Posted December 23, 2015 - 06:18 AM

Its not unusual for companies to farm out their product..Sears was doing so with  hand tools. Even Snap On farmed out tools to other manufacturers. Years ago I was in factory of Vise Grip in DeWitt Ne. to pick up a load and saw all the brands they were packaging coming off the line..Snap On being one of them. The Dewitt factory closed up a few years later. 


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