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#1 Greasy6020 ONLINE  

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Posted December 14, 2015 - 08:18 PM

I have leads on 3 little Massey tractors. I desperately want a loader for moving small square bales feed bags cleaning goat pens making "silage" piles (grass and garden refuse left to compost) plowing snow and lifting stuff I don't want to... Is the frame and front end up to this on the 12s? What's the max weight I would want to put on it?

for now the loader will be winch operated. Eventually I'll upgrade to hydraulics...

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Posted December 14, 2015 - 10:10 PM

Not really heavy enough built for that. But they will do it. I broke the centre bolt in the axle on mine a few years ago. And was not carrying anything at the time. Just wore out. But this tractor also carried a snowthrower on the front for years before I got the tractor. Years of weight and metal fatigue, lead to the bolt breaking, the axle bent under the tractor, which bent the 1/4 plate that the bolt goes thru to hold the axle in. But I have used my loader a lot, it was only built for a parade piece, but I had to use it. It will only lift about 50 lbs or so. If you built yours different, with different leverages, it would lift more. My winch is a Canadian tire cheapie, only 1500 lbs pull. A better winch would help a lot. If going to use a winch, make sure you have a better than normal rated battery, and your charging system is working good. If I use mine a lot, say moving a pile of snow, I watch the amp gauge and let it charge back up for a few minutes every 15 minutes or so. I believe that discharging and then charging a battery quickly is hard on it, so that's why you need a good battery. Just my opinion.

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Posted December 15, 2015 - 07:48 AM

According to the weight chart I found on the continental f140, I just used the FEL on my Roper to pick up over 500# last weekend.
Would not have expected it to weigh that much...
Anyways, I don't plan on using mine that heavy again. Also, I upgraded to 1" front axle and increased the pivot bolt size by one.
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Posted December 15, 2015 - 07:59 AM

I would want to keep the lift weight to below 300lbs.  Much more than that and the 3/4" front wheel spindles may bend or break.


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Posted December 15, 2015 - 08:12 AM

I want to say member Tudor had a loader on an MF 12, but I maybe mistaken.

 

 If going to use a winch, make sure you have a better than normal rated battery, and your charging system is working good. If I use mine a lot, say moving a pile of snow, I watch the amp gauge and let it charge back up for a few minutes every 15 minutes or so. I believe that discharging and then charging a battery quickly is hard on it, so that's why you need a good battery. Just my opinion.

Noel

 

Yep, the winch on my dump bucket really works the charging system. I have a problem with burning up my regulators during heavy winch usage.


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Posted December 15, 2015 - 08:19 AM

One of my good neighbors has an MF12 with a Johnson loader.  He moves reasonable loads and hasn't had any issues with axle spindles or anything else.  When I first built my loader, I'm sure I lifted too much as I kept going through wheel bearings, and broke a spindle twice.


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Posted December 15, 2015 - 08:37 AM

Ok. The general opinion (as I see it) seems to be to take it easy on the tractor if you do this.

Would putting an alternator from something such as a mini van help with the power supply issues? I have a pair of scrap mini vans at my disposal. I'm not much of an electrician (still in school. But I can use auto shop for projects:)) so your guys experience is a big help...

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Posted December 15, 2015 - 09:08 AM

Yes, an automotive alternator would help a LOT.  They make them pretty small.  I have a couple on my custom builds.  But a large one is fine too, just takes more space to mount.


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Posted December 15, 2015 - 09:27 AM

Those type loader remind me of the old hay booster bucks used back in the late 30's and early 40's.    Look like real light weight stuff and and top heavy.  If they won't comfortably handle over 100 lbs why bother?



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Posted December 15, 2015 - 09:33 AM

Actually what about having electric actuators? I'm sure I can find them up here. I'll see if I can't get a loader from my grandpas friend... Just need to talk to him. Then it will be a bit more serious.

I'm thinking something with 500 pound max between both of the actuators...

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Posted December 15, 2015 - 11:22 AM

With the cost of an electric system and the retrofit required to go hydraulic later, I'm wondering if you'd be better with going hydraulic from the start.
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Posted December 15, 2015 - 01:38 PM

Yah... Think a power steering pump out of a mini van is a good idea? Can steal one of those without issues... Heck of I'm going to go hydraulic on this anyone think a grapple is possible?

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Posted December 15, 2015 - 01:58 PM

You'll want to compare flow and psi of your pump vs the Delta D4 or the like
Check max rpm also and pulley accordingly

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Posted December 15, 2015 - 02:10 PM

Ok. I'm just trying to work with what I have...




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