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When are classed as medium frame Bolens?


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#1 DL-North OFFLINE  

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Posted December 09, 2015 - 10:29 PM

I see the posts describing the Large and Tube frame machines, what about the medium frame machine?

 

And more directly, what are the later Dura Trac's described as?

 

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Posted December 09, 2015 - 10:33 PM

I believe there was a post about this already if you wanted to try and look it up. Sorry I won't be able to help with the dura trac.

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Posted December 09, 2015 - 10:43 PM

XL's, XT's, X1's, GT's, Eliminators, and Duratracs are of the Bolens medium frame series. QT's get called medium frames for their size, but are not in the series.  Paul



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Posted December 10, 2015 - 01:57 AM

G11XL, H11XL, G12XL, H12XL, G14XL, H14XL, G16XL, H16XL, G18XL, H18XL, G16X1, H16X1, G16XT, H16XT, 1402G, 1467, 1468, 1600, 1667, 1668 AND 1669, 1669L are all Medium Frame Series Tractors. (there is also the GT14, but it was a first year machine that was very poorly designed and was basically scrapped and revamped after only one production run, replaced by the XL designation - rare tractor but they were junk)

The XL/Medium Frame Tractors all have a common theme that none of the other Bolens have. Front mule belt drive system for the mower deck drive and a tube steel front axle. No front PTO shaft drive on these units, unless you add the 18309 or 18318 front PTO Kit to operate a snow thrower or tiller attachment. All mower decks are belt driven. The 42" snow blade (18305), 38" snowthrower (18311), and 33" tiller (models 18315 and 18322) will only fit this series of tractors.


5000 Series and 5100 Series (Duratrac) are not in the same classification as the Medium Frame Tractors, and they do not share any implements with them. These tractors all have a cast iron front axle and shaft drive front PTO built in. These are much more like the Q series tractors, but newer and have their own series of implements that work only on this series of tractors. All mower decks and attachments are shaft driven.

The term "Eliminator" gets tossed about quite frequently, but it in itself is not a tractor series name. It was simply the advertising term used in the mid to late 80's for all Bolens equipment, including walk behind mowers, ST "Suburban" series lawn tractors, Medium Frames such as the 1400's and 1600's, the 5000 series tractors such as the 1700 (5017G or 5017H), 1800 (5018H), 1900 (5019H) and 2000 (5020H), and early DuraTracs 5118H (GT1800) and 5120H (GT2000).. "Eliminate the hard work from your yard work" was the ad slogan at the time.

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Posted December 10, 2015 - 07:58 AM

Thanks for that great bit of information Classic Bolens.  Cleared up a lot of foggy areas.  Personally, I don't think the Medium Frames get near the attention they deserve. I have 2 and really like them.  The G16XT is my go to donkey tractor.



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Posted December 10, 2015 - 08:24 AM

Well said!



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Posted December 10, 2015 - 09:52 AM


5000 Series and 5100 Series (Duratrac) are not in the same classification as the Medium Frame Tractors, and they do not share any implements with them. These tractors all have a cast iron front axle and shaft drive front PTO built in. These are much more like the Q series tractors, but newer and have their own series of implements that work only on this series of tractors. All mower decks and attachments are shaft driven.

 

The term "Eliminator" gets tossed about quite frequently, but it in itself is not a tractor series name. It was simply the advertising term used in the mid to late 80's for all Bolens equipment, including walk behind mowers, ST "Suburban" series lawn tractors, Medium Frames such as the 1400's and 1600's, the 5000 series tractors such as the 1700 (5017G or 5017H), 1800 (5018H), 1900 (5019H) and 2000 (5020H), and early DuraTracs 5118H (GT1800) and 5120H (GT2000)..  "Eliminate the hard work from your yard work" was the ad slogan at the time.

 

Good info!

 

Back when I was researching them, tractordata.com had the 5000's and 5100's listed as Medium Frame Series. I see that has since been corrected.

 

I looked at buying a couple of the 5020h's. They had "Eliminator" on the fenders, so I assumed that was their name. Always more to learn about Bolens!

 

Paul


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Posted December 10, 2015 - 12:53 PM

My knowledge on Bolens is expanding thanks to ClassicBolens' post. Very interesting.

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Posted December 11, 2015 - 12:55 AM

Thanks CB,

 

So if I read between the lines a bit, the 5000 series are something between the Large frame and medium frame machines.

 

And "and have their own series of implements that work only on this series of tractors. All mower decks and attachments are shaft driven."  Any comments about the performance of a 5000 2 stage blower and a Large Frame 2 stage blower, both 48"?

 

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Posted December 11, 2015 - 08:05 AM

Thanks CB,

 

So if I read between the lines a bit, the 5000 series are something between the Large frame and medium frame machines.

 

And "and have their own series of implements that work only on this series of tractors. All mower decks and attachments are shaft driven."  Any comments about the performance of a 5000 2 stage blower and a Large Frame 2 stage blower, both 48"?

 

Dan 

Those are heavy blowers. Basically the same, but spin in opposite directions. Can't be swapped. Paul


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Posted December 11, 2015 - 09:03 PM

Paul,

 

I'm looking at pics of both a 18148 (LF 2 stage) and the blower that comes with a/my GTX 20, and they both spin CW when viewed from the back.  

 

What I'd like to find is a 1948/49 that is a CCW input to put on my Iseki.

 

Dan



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Posted December 11, 2015 - 11:11 PM

Paul,

 

I'm looking at pics of both a 18148 (LF 2 stage) and the blower that comes with a/my GTX 20, and they both spin CW when viewed from the back.  

 

What I'd like to find is a 1948/49 that is a CCW input to put on my Iseki.

 

Dan

Not sure what to tell you.  I have two 42" single stage snow throwers for my LF and the shafts spin CCW from the back-- same as on an Iseki. My QT throwers should be the same as your Duratrac. They spin CW. The right angle gear boxes look alike, but aren't.


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Posted December 11, 2015 - 11:43 PM

Now I'm really curious, but will have to wait til spring when I pickup the GTX.    

Do you know what model numbers your blowers are?



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Posted December 12, 2015 - 01:53 AM

Paul,

 

I'm looking at pics of both a 18148 (LF 2 stage) and the blower that comes with a/my GTX 20, and they both spin CW when viewed from the back.  

 

What I'd like to find is a 1948/49 that is a CCW input to put on my Iseki.

 

Dan

 

The 1948 is correct for the Bolens Iseki G152 - G174 tractors (with the required 1308 front PTO kit and proper hitch and mounting hardware). The 18148 will also work (identical to the 1948, but different chute controls). This is a heavy beast of a snow blower, weighing in slightly over 500 lbs. Typically they will chew up and spit out anything that gets in the way.

 

The 5000/5100 series, DuraTrac or GTX 2 stage blower is a Bolens model 50146 or later Troybilt model 14063. This is a 46" wide blower. They are built very well, however not as heavy as the old large frame 48". This is not necessarily a bad thing, as these work equally as well with out the bulk weight. The rotation is opposite of the Large Frame tractors, as Paulgo pointed out.

 

Single stage 42" models that interchange between all the Q series, 5000 Series, 5100 DuraTrac and GTX tractors are the 19240, 50142 and 14062. 

 

If you are looking to mount a blower to the rear 3 point on your Iseki, you should have plenty of other options available. Category 1, 540 PTO.... Kubota, John Deere, Cub, Massey, Mitsubishi,  Bercomac, Agri-Fab, Farm-King, Northern Tool (NorTrac) etc....  Keep it below 54" wide and you should be fine. A quick Google search for 3 point snowblowers will give you some ideas.


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Posted December 12, 2015 - 10:15 AM

Again, thanks guys,

 

I learned something here and it will save time and money. And prevent me from making a mistake. 

 

I "thought" I'd read that the 18148 blower used a CW input, appearently that is wrong.

And I just checked, the 18148 I have is indeed a CCW input and the gear boxes both, auger and impeller, (between the 18148 and 1948) use the same part number gears, meaning the input speeds are also the same. 

 

YA!!!!!

 

Dan


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